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What does it take to unleash one’s potential towards living a full and healthy life? In this episode, Jennifer Watson shares her story of experience and intuition in leading a revolution towards wellness. Jennifer Watson MPT, I.M.T.,C., is the Owner of Jennifer Watson Leadership and Watson Wellness. She is an expert in self-empowerment, mental wellness, post-trauma growth and leadership mastery aside from being a dynamic motivational speaker with a gift for intuitive and visionary coaching. Jennifer has over two decades of experience in business and leadership management as well as in health and wellness advocacy. Her mission is to spread the message of strength, courage, and hope in facing tasks that seem impossible to overcome and to improve one’s performance in all areas of their life.

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Jennifer Watson: Leading A Life Revolution: Using Intuition, Experiences, And Gifts To Unlock Wellness And Pursue Health

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The next best way to give back is by sending this episode to several of your friends in your community. I can almost guarantee you that it’s going to be worth sending from this conversation with Jennifer. Who is Jennifer Watson? Jennifer Watson is a dynamic motivational speaker with a gift for intuitive and visionary coaching. She is an expert in self-empowerment, mental wellness, post-trauma growth, and leadership mastery. She is passionate and honored to help those achieve their own greatness with authenticity, grace and class. As a former collegiate athlete, All-American and current integrative physical therapist, coach, speaker and entrepreneur, she is ecstatic to share a message of strength, courage and hope against mountaintops that may seem unattainable. With eighteen years of experience in business, leadership, management and health and wellness advocacy, she inspires those to unleash their potential and performance in all areas of their life. This conversation with Jennifer was epic. We’re doing similar things and it was great to hear from her.

We’ll talk about all things in the morning routines, starting your day with consistency, a lot about athletics and what it took to compete at a high level, and the flow state and being in the zone. We’ll talk a lot about intuitions and the difference between fear and intuitions based on reasoning and decision-making. We’ll talk about family trials, troubles and going through a divorce, and her own battles with depression and how she was able to gain control back of her mental health. Also, some amazing conversation on that front where I know that a lot of you will be encouraged by that and she has some wise words on that process.

We’ll talk about what Integrative Manual Therapy is and I’ve been blessed by knowing several integrative manual therapists in my own life. They truly are gifted healers. They’re amazing in their work and undoubtedly Jennifer is as well. We’ll talk about death, not in a morbid way, but in a helpful way. We’ll talk about books and the whole gamut. It’s a wide-ranging but practical, helpful and inspiring conversation. You’ll definitely want to read it. There are links to all her work at Jennifer Watson Leadership and for her Life Revolution Summit that she’s hosting. I spoke in September 2019. We also have some exciting stuff for our 100th episode, so keep reading. Enjoy this dynamic conversation with Jennifer Watson.

Jennifer Watson, welcome to The Up & Comers Show.

Thank you, Thane. I’m excited to come here and connect with you. I appreciate you having me on.

It’s going to be a blast. We’ve got the chance to connect and that’s been a real joy for me getting to learn all that you’re doing and getting to be a part of your podcast, Single Soul Purpose podcast. I’ve been inspired by seeing the work you’re up to and I can’t wait to dive more into your story.

Thank you. I’m excited to get going, too. I love chatting and connecting with people’s stories. I find so much joy in hearing your story. That’s why I love doing podcasts as well, so that’s awesome.

One of the most inspiring things is the fact that you can do ten pull-ups as a woman, which is incredible. Tell us the secret to pull-ups, especially for women, because there’s such a stigma that women can’t do pull-ups.

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It’s funny. I hate that stigma because I find it easier than you realize it is, Thane. It’s a mental thing for women. If you get in that mindset, you have to know the biomechanics on how it’s you prep, get ready to do a great pull up and how to do it on your own and progression of. The way I got over it of not being able to do it, had nothing to do with my strengths. I do with the fact of, “Why can’t I do it?” I grew up my entire life with my family always backing me that if I said I could do it, they’re like, “You can do it.” Even if a lot of people out there said you couldn’t, including doing pull-ups. A lot of people say women can’t do full pull-ups and I remember always questioning stuff like that when people can say, “You could do anything.” I was like, “Of course, I can. I just have to figure out how to get there.” There is a progression. I definitely encourage people to have some person to assist you. There are negatives you can do to get there. I used to jump up on the pull-up bar then slowly lower myself.

There’s biomechanical stuff to get you to that level, but I’ve seen women much stronger than me that can’t do it. It has nothing to do with physicality. It has everything to do with mindset and something that I’m passionate about shifting with people, not just the pull-ups. I love doing pull-ups because you’ll be able to move your body. I call it the rocky strengthening. It motivates me that if I can lift and move my body powerfully, it’s a mind shift thing that I can lift in and move my body in my mind in profound ways throughout my day with work, relationships and money. I know you can understand this as an athlete, that having that ability to do something and attain something hard that not a lot of people can do gives me a huge mental mindset shift for my day. It’s a game-changer that when something seems hard, I’m like, “I can do this. I can do a marathon and ten pull-ups. Not everybody can do that.” That is the biggest reason why I do pull-ups some more than I tell people I can do. It’s more for me to get into my day, but if I can do this physical act that’s hard for a lot of people to do, I can do the next thing I want to do that’s hard.

It’s helpful to stack the deck in our favor and use things to leverage our greatest abilities. What are other things in your life that you use on a daily level to help yourself strive or reach toward that place beyond your current grasp and your perceived potential is?

I know you probably researched a lot of people, too, that are highly successful, you being one of them. I’ve Facebook stalked you as well, just FYI. I’ve always been intrigued by other high achieving men and women. One thing I’ve learned from a young age is that they have a morning routine. They are 100% consistent in a morning routine, whatever that morning routine looks like and that is a game-changer for my day. It doesn’t matter if I’m going to do a lot that day personally and professionally. I have big problems on my plate. I have to start with a consistent morning routine and that morning routine consists of 3 to 4 different things. One, I always start with prayer. I am also a follower of Christ and He’s a huge part of guiding my every move in every single area of my life. I do a huge prayer shout-out to Him every day and that can range from, “Open my eyes to serve people. What do I need to work on? What should be my priorities? Where do I need to forgive?” That can change up a little bit.

From there, I 100% go out and move, whether it be yoga or running, it stimulates my creativity. Even if I’ve already made a plan of what I’m doing that day, it helps me filter. When I go through my to-do-list for the day, “What are the top three important things?” We know as business owners, it’s easy to get lost in getting everything done that day versus getting the top three done that day. When I go move and do yoga, run or something in the morning, it stimulates my creativity and motivation. It pulls me into what my truth and top three needs to be for that day personally and professionally. Third, after my run, I definitely take about a minute to verbally and also write out things I’m grateful for.

The fourth to seal the deal is putting into presence my goals that they’ve already happened. For my Life Revolution Summit that’s coming up in September 2020 and my God, by faith, I know that 300 people are going to be showing up. It’s done. That’s by faith that I’m trusting that it’s going to happen and giving me the skills to get there. That’s an example. I need three things that I want to happen that I believe are supposed to happen and I say to Him in the present moment as they had happened. I go on with my day, but that’s my typical routine. Do I add things on top of that? 100%. If I’m struggling that day, there are definitely other caveats, but that’s probably my top four that dial me in, keep me focused and empowered with all the noise that’s out there because we all get that noise.

What would you say is your success rate for completing that morning routine? What percentage of the mornings are you following through with that?

I’m going to be honest. Several years ago, it was probably 50% and I always noticed I was feeling better on those days. Now, it’s 80% to 90%. Most weeks and some weeks are 100%. I do notice a low when I don’t stay consistent. That was one of my goals for the New Year, to stay consistent with my morning routine. There wasn’t any other lofty goal because I found that it gave me more bang for my buck. I don’t mean financially, but personally and professionally. I felt on-the-spot-Johnny with my day, no matter how the day unfolded. I’m getting up toward that 100%. 50% of my life was probably a little bit less functional and a little bit less done in a more effective way than it is now. I’m definitely a huge believer in it.

There’s so much power to little steps. There’s a great quote that talks about how it’s way better to trigger small bursts of dopamine with small wins versus saving it all up for one big leap. That’s a lot more sustainable, productive and helpful in the long-term. It’s amazing how it adds up over time. It creates this movement within yourself almost. I’m probably in a similar path with you in that time frame and it was a lot less consistent or maybe less dialed. Now, it is a non-negotiable. It’s in that 90% range and it’s needed. I love, too, those elements that you had. All of those are intentional and helpful. I can see how I parallel all of those as well. The one that is fascinating is gratitude because I’ve been reading a book called You Are the Placebo by Dr. Joe Dispenza, which if you haven’t read, I can see you love it, just knowing your work. He talks about the power of gratitude in there as it unlocks a lot. It is one of the greatest mental health producers of positive mental health. What have you found from practicing gratitude? What does gratitude do for you personally?

First of all, I would love to read that book. My background is an integrated physical therapist, which I know no one will go into, but I’ve had many conversations about placebo. I love the placebo. The medical world has seen it as a bad thing. I love edgy conversations and pushing the envelope. I used to say it in all my practitioners, I’m like, “I don’t know why you hate the placebo effect. It’s beautiful. It’s showing the power of the mind to create healing, movement and growth.” I would love that book. We could probably spend hours and been talking about the biochemistry behind that and the power of it. I’m 100% on board with that book. As far as gratitude, it is like the catchall word in the last several years. A lot of people are talking about mindfulness and doing inner work. Those are also important. Gratitude is often one of the things we’re talking about when you’re doing inner work and when you’re trying to be more mindful.

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There’s huge research on that thing that they had a study come out on clients that had stage IV cancer where they were getting from doctors who are like, “You better update your will.” They showed a study on those that were doing gratitude every day versus those that were not. They lived three years longer. Their functionality was 50% more than the group that did not just off gratitude alone. They showed the biochemistry in the brain changing and optimizing the creativity region. They showed increases in dopamine and serotonin. These are all things that help with healing, optimal brain function and body functions. Being grateful can take people that extreme. They’re “dying from cancer” to reverse it. That’s crazy to me. I’m like, “Throw me the gratitude. I’ll do anything that’s simple.” As a business owner, I’m not about working hard all the time. I’m working to be quality in less and more efficient, and have gratitude. It’s going to give me more bang for my buck, in this case, meaning reversing aggressive health conditions. That’s amazing.

Gratitude has helped me my biochemistry and my own unique change as well in my history with severe depression when I was an athlete. When I used that as part of my morning routine before I was making morning routines, it did shift me, even though it was micro. It’s that whole domino effect. If you tap the domino, what happens to the rest of the dominoes? I remember my mother always saying that she was such a supporter of me and knew my struggle of depression. She’s like, “Jennifer, pray about one thing you’re thankful for. I don’t care if you have no pain in your big toe. I don’t care if it’s one friend that called you. You’d be surprised how that’s going to create shifts in your brain and help with energy.” My mother is a brilliant woman. She has done a lot of counseling support to other people with depression, but that is a game-changer for me.

That gratitude pulled up and shifted my perspective on my life and also the life of others. I’ve been doing gratitude. I used to do a book, even back in high school. It’s thousands of pages and I looked back at it sometimes. I started gratitude at a young age. I’m writing down gratitude and it was interesting to see how my gratitude changed for years. I pulled it out, but it’s funny that I’m an old soul that way. I’ve learned some of this stuff way early on organically because it felt good and it has support from my mom. Even when gratitude became popular, I love it. I love that people are being supported. It’s out there and I was naturally drawn to it. I am more of an intuitive empath person. That might be one reason, too. I’ve used gratitude in my life. I have books and quotes that I’ve put down that are absolutely game changers in my mental health as well as me promoting myself in a personal and professional journey. Also, it’s about connecting people in a more authentic way by being grateful for things in my life and seeing it affect my day and the journey that I’m making for myself that God has made for me.

I do some mentoring and we had a lesson on gratitude. I loved the definition that the guy facilitating it gave, which was, “Gratitude is finding the good.” It’s such a simple and awesome way to think about it. That’s what gratitude is. There’s always good to be found if we look, search and open our eyes to it. It is such a helpful practice. There’s a quote from that book that I thought was beautiful. He talks about meditation and it’s in a similar form as gratitude. He says that meditation takes us from survival to creation, separation to connection, imbalance to balance, emergency mode to growth and repair mode, and the limiting emotions of fear, anger and sadness to the expansive emotions of joy, freedom and love. We go from clinging to the known to embracing the unknown.

It’s something that is counterintuitive, too. It’s so hard to get ourselves to do that because it’s against what we think works or is right. The problem with that is that our intuitions are coming from the culture around us, not necessarily from our instinct. What is your process for listening to and trusting your intuitions? This is a massive question. It’s such a tricky thing because we can’t trust how we feel every moment. Instinct and intuition, once it’s refined, practiced and honed in, is such a useful tool. What are that dance and that balance like?

It’s something I teach a lot. I do a lot of intuitive and spiritual management as part of my coaching and I could talk about intuition forever. It’s an absolute gift. It’s the sixth sense that God gave all of us. Some of us are naturally more intuitive than others, but everybody can become intuitive. The average athlete and the one that’s more talented, often the one that I see work at it becomes the better athlete anyways. I always tell people it’s not this far-reaching weird energy that only certain enlightened people have, which is the biggest myth. Everyone has it, we just don’t trust it. I would agree with you that often intuition is mistaken by things we’re hearing from the world. I do believe meditation does pull you more into your intuition.

You don’t see all the distractions, ideas, shiny balls and all the FOMO moments that we all have. Intuition can be dialed in by anyone and it 100% should be used daily for all of us when we’re making the big and small decisions. Small decisions lead to big decisions anyway. The objective higher-level cortex of, “Is this right? Is this wrong? Have you done the work?” Yes. Ultimately, at the end of the day, it does come to your gut and intuition that God gave all of us. How do you hone that? Everybody’s intuition is unique to them. Some people feel more intuition through what they feel in their guts. Some hear things, like a voice from god. Some people see a vision that helps them hone into the right and intuitive decisions. For one, we go through all of a person’s senses when I coach them in what seems to be their natural gifts. That’s important for people to understand what that intuitive side means to them.

You have to ground yourself into the meditation of some form every day when you’re first learning intuition. You have to clear out the noise that is important for anybody to even get what their gifts are in intuition. The senses I was telling you about, we’re trying to help refine them and they have to make it quiet. You have to rule out the ideas and opinions of the world because we could have a whole other podcast on that. They’re often wrong. We should at least question them. We should step back and go back to our inner selves. Do the inner work hone into our intuition? Meditation is key to clear out the noise. I encourage people to look at what they feel when they feel intuitive. Is it something they see, smell, and feel? We’ve got to decide what that is. Often, I have people start with some basic thing. They start with filtered water and Drano.

It’s funny, but I have to look at both of them. If you think about drinking this filtered water, how does that feel? How does that look? You’re healing and supporting yourself. You start dialing those senses intuitively. “That’s a good decision for me to drink filtered water.” You turn it over the Drano, which sounds funny but you have to get extreme sometimes to dial into what your intuition is. You finally get it to the point that it’s on-spot that you can use it just like that. The third point I probably made with a lot of people when we’re dialing in their intuition is looking at, “Is it intuitive-based or fear-based?” They often can look the same in many ways. It makes us feel the rush and pulling in that external world saying, “Do it.” They often can look the same.

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What I have people often do is look at, “Is it fear-based or intuitive based?” I have them ask themselves this question, “Is this decision based on past fearful experiences or future experiences that are fearful?” If that’s the case, that’s not intuition. Intuition is supposed to be in the present moment of safety, feeling power and energy in your body of goodness. Whereas fear-based is going to make you feel anxious, depressed, and flip back and forth. There are a lot of different components to fear versus intuition, but I start people with that thought process. Are you making the decision from past fears or future potential fears? If that’s the case, that’s not intuition. You’re not being in the present moment and that is where we start. There are other components into intuition versus fear, but those are probably the first three I start with people. You’ve got to meditate. I don’t care if it’s 5 or 10 minutes. You’ve got to clear the clutter, create peace and calmness in your soul. We start working on refining what your gifts specifically are in your intuition. Third, we’re looking at, “Is this decision fear-based or intuitive-based?”

Once you do that, it’s like doing the morning routine. Once you do that daily, it gets to the point that you’re rock starring it. You’re like, “Done.” I made a tough decision and I had to let someone go who was working for me to do some different things and I knew it was the right decision. Does that mean it wasn’t hard? Does that mean I was a little fear-based like, “Could something be happening in the future without them? I won’t be able to make it without him.” I went back to the present moment why I made that decision and it was important that I stayed there intuitively. I’m glad I did. You can use intuition for small things to big deals and hard decisions, but you always have to go back to that piece, that inner self of knowing what that truly is. It doesn’t take that long to dial in. People got to do the inner work every single day to refine it.

It’s that intentionality and consciousness with it. When you don’t have either of those, it’s not something that we should or can’t trust. I like the distinction between fear and intuitive-based. It’s interesting that there are many layers to that. The past is what helps inform our intuition because of the benefit of experiences and learning from them. We can trust our gut senses even more, but we can’t base the present on the past. We still have to keep it where it is. We have to also factor in future ramifications of whatever decisions we make and evaluate that. We can’t live in trying to control the fear of what may come. It’s this interesting middle area.

It is such a unique dance because some people find that at first, when I speak to them about intuition, contradictory like, “Jennifer, what you just said, aren’t we supposed to learn from our past and foresee problems for the future?” I’m like, “Absolutely. That’s part of being a human being. We’re the highest level in the animal kingdom. We can use our higher-level cortex to learn from our past and look up potential problems for the future.” If you’re making a big decision, you still have to be in the present moment. You can’t keep going back to this or going forward to this. Any big decision in any good psychologist and coach will talk about that because your mind is in its most optimal state to make a decision or near in the present moment. You want to dial that in and then you go pull back into that present decision.

I love what you said about how society, culture, and people around us and the noise impacts our decision-making. I love a quote Mark Twain said, “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” You need to consider if you’re on the side of the majority and everything they do, say or act in life because whether you like it or not, that’s probably being fueled and given to you by things outside of yourself.

Ironically, I didn’t understand the gift. I felt like a weird kid most of my life. I’m an INFJ, so that tells you anything in the Myers-Briggs. I’m a 1% personality. I believe that because my head thinks differently, but I was intuitive from a young age. I remember thinking about what you said. I’m like, “If everybody’s going that direction, should I be going that direction?” I remember when I was 6 or 7, I had that sensation and I am honored to have that and God instilled that in me at a young age. I always step back and then I’m also a Scorpio. Usually, when people are going one direction and tell me to do one thing, I’m like, “Let’s try something a little different.”

Where were you born and raised? What was your childhood like? How would you describe yourself as a kid?

The first part of growing up from 0 to 11 or 12 was in Montana. My family lived there. My parents got divorced when I was six years old and when my mother remarried, his family was from Minnesota. They wanted to start their own new business out in Minnesota because the economy was better. We spent the latter part of growing up. My twin and I, from ages 12 to 18, my older siblings have moved out of the house at that point. I can probably speak more from our experience simply because my older siblings were quite a bit older than us, so they were moved out of the house by that time we came around. My older sister was ten years older than us and my brother was six. I grew up in an amazing Christian, Christ-following home in every single way. A lot of people might think, “You come from divorce at age six. How can that be?”

God had His hand all over our pain and the scars that were happening. Divorce sucks and divorce is real, to be honest. That’s a huge thing that impacts many different people. My dad was a pastor in the early part of his life, so it rocked the community’s world when they decided to step forward and go through with that. I was a pre-PK kid. My dad got out of the ministry probably shortly after we were born, so I don’t remember that part. He still instilled in us through growing up a lot of amazing things from Christ and that has guided my life. I’ve got an amazing dad. The cool thing is God brought a second dad to us, my stepfather.

I’ve got two amazing dads. They both were Christ-followers and it’s interesting. I know everybody will say this but I do mean this. It has made me who I am now because it was a struggle. As a kid, we didn’t know what was going on, but my parents never made us feel not supported, and not loved from my stepdad to my dad, to my mom, and to our family in general. My twin felt supported throughout the whole process. Was there pain? Was there hurt? Were there things we had to dive through? 100%. Divorce is hard, but at the same time, we have a unique angle on growing up as a child of divorce. My parents did divorce counseling at the church. You probably should try everything you can to say because this is why they came from divorce. They used their experience and their pain to help support others to look at the reason if you’re going to or if you should. My mom and my stepdad especially did a lot of counseling in their church to help support those that were thinking about it and seeing if it was the right thing or not.

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It was important for me to see that they owned their struggles that led to the divorce and we were able to see it as kids. We were able to see forgiveness and a lot of love through the pain. It showed us many lessons at a young age that I didn’t even totally realize I was learning until later in life. Would I wish divorce on anyone? I’m going to be honest, Thane. No. It’s tough. Am I exactly the person God meant me to be right here, right now talking to you? 100%. Would I be the same person I was without them going through the divorce? Of course, not. It’s that whole God knew what was going to happen, but He wants to make different decisions. I feel dynamic and wise in many areas because of my experience growing up in a supportive family, but with an edgy scar. I am blessed and humbled by it. Did it carry its scars and wounds? It did. It made a lot of us, including my twin and I, amazingly dynamic people that are resilient.

Your twin sister is an identical twin, correct?


What was it like growing up with an identical twin?

You’re going to laugh about this short story. We didn’t find out that we’re identical until we were in our twenties. We were born in Montana, so I’m not going to go into the testing they did to rule out that we were identical because I’m like, “It’s Montana.” In any case, we went with it and we look so much alike. We had friends growing up like, “You guys have got to be identical,” and it’s true. My twin and I always thought we were because we had a lot of the ESP moments. We come out of the bathroom, sing the same song and we could always tell one was hurt or something. There are a lot of those voodoo moments of that genetic connection that happens with identical twins.

Twins have it in general, but identical twins have a 99.9% genetic blueprint. It makes them energetically intuitive. ESP is definitely going on. We finally decided to get a DNA test when we were in our twenties and my twin came to the PT clinic I was managing at the time with this little stuffed animal that she called Denny. She brought him into the clinic and said, “This guy is Denny and I wanted to give them to you,” and I’m like, “Great.” She’s like, “No, it’s Denny.” I’m like, “I am not picking up what you’re putting down, sister.” She’s like, “Denny for identical.”

We’re jumping up and down at the age of 24, realizing that everything we always thought was true. This is game-changing for us, but it made us look back at things that we were intuitive on each other’s page with. That was cool. Identical twinship is a special bond. It is hard to describe unless you are one. It’s different than a best friend and a close sister. We’ve been there for each other in a lot of different ways, good times and bad. It’s been a unique experience. I could probably spend hours talking about it. I’ve never shared this part of our story. We all have our journeys in how we grow up, but my twin and I are 180 degrees polar opposites in personality, in conflict management, and even how we digested the divorce and other journeys we’ve had that had been hard in our life. I’m like, “Let’s get this out there.” She’s like, “Let’s look at the hurdles, maybe as ways of laying back a little bit.” We’re different.

The reason why I mentioned that is that everybody has always thought that twins always get along, that we have picket fences next to each other and we’re best friends and all that stuff. As much as we absolutely adore and appreciate each other, Jana and I have had our problems. We’ve had some tumultuous times, especially as adults. It’s our unique journeys and our own pains that have come up from growing up. I adore her. She’s got many wonderful gifts in so many different things that are opposite of me, but with our different unique hurdles and journeys, we’ve had our struggles. I haven’t shared that with a lot of people because it was embarrassing at first. It was my ego a little bit. The other twins I’ve seen don’t seem to have problems. You don’t know someone’s problems behind closed doors.

We have had at points that tumultuous relationship, but at the end of the day, we love each other. We absolutely support each other and we know we’ve got each other’s back deep down. Our story is not perfect. Our story has had its issues, but overall, it’s a beautiful story because it’s our story. That’s what’s most important. I adore her. She’s an amazing woman. She’ll be at the summit where we’re going to be together, so you’ll be able to meet her. She is my other half. I don’t want to say better half because we both are different in different ways. Definitely, she’s that person that completes me in a lot of ways.

I’m glad you brought that up because that is an assumption that most people, even twins themselves would make. I have some friends who are identical twins and I’m sure that they can connect fully with that. How have you seen that connection of being an identical twin? How has that shifted or changed or has it over the years of life? It’s different seasons and stages of life. How has that spiritual connection shifted or changed? How has that experience been?

From a spiritual, political and moral sense, my twin and I are spot on. We’re agreeing in a lot of different things, so that’s never changed. This is why twins are often used for research by the environment. We grew up in the exact same home and the way we handle things is completely different versus genetics. As my twin and I have gotten older, we’ve gotten more different in our personalities and conflict management. She’s married and she has kids. She has boys and I’m like, “I’m not married. I’m an entrepreneur.” That’s when we started shifting in our journey and honestly, we’ve probably started having a little bit more conflicts, not as kids. In high school, you have conflicts. You yell at each other for taking each other’s clothes. That’s what girls do. We didn’t have fights growing up.

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Where I started seeing this shift where when we were starting to digest things differently and communicate differently, especially with conflict, too. It’s partly our journeys and our hurdles that we’ve uniquely gone through as adults. As adults, I would say post-college. We went to the same college and that’s when I started noticing more that we had different opinions on how to resolve things and different opinions on healing, journey and getting your goals achieved after college. Also, that’s when we start not living with each other. Our journey has changed and that had a lot to do with it as well. That is partly how we start perceiving things differently. We were probably a little bit more aligned on how we reacted and interacted when we were younger and as kids and in post-college, I started seeing a little bit more shifts.

I wanted to get better and be 100% all the time because that’s who I am. I’m a little bit more than a performance-based twin. I’m the older twin and ironically, being the older, you always are protective of the younger twin in going into that part. She was hit by a car on two separate occasions when she was a kid and I saw both happened. I remember feeling guilty that I wasn’t there to protect her the way I should have. I had a lot of shame and guilt and that also started making me separate a bit from her that I wasn’t even being enough to her. You start seeing all these experiences happen and how your personalities are different in the first twin born versus the second twin. There’s definitely something there, this protection as the first twin, this go-getter performance-based as the first twin.

There are some things that happened that’s 100% true with my twin and I. That can be a beautiful thing, but also a hard thing. I was a high-level athlete for many years and Jana was good but didn’t quite get to the level I did, but I started connecting performance to love because I got a lot of that from attagirl on the back, even from my parents and I realized they were doing it. I started connecting love to performance, whereas I thought Jana could be loved to be loved. Isn’t that crazy? That was partly connecting to some of my depression later in life. It’s interesting and it all starts with how you grew up in that twinship thing. I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I love being a twin. There’s such a beauty to it. When people ask me about it, I enjoy talking about it. It is a great thing. Has it come unscathed? Has it not come with some sores? Of course, not. That’s what makes us, us. There’s a lot of beauty and resilience to her. She probably said the same thing about me.

It’s interesting about first versus the second twin born and how that plays out even. It made me think of Jacob and Esau from the Bible, grasping like, “No, me first.” There’s so much into that. It reminds me of another quote. I love this guy. Richard Barnett said, “Human intellectual development is a lifelong dialogue between inherited tendencies and our life history.” It’s that conundrum of genetics and tendencies that we inherit versus our life experiences. It’s fascinating how you started noticing a lot of those differences when those life experiences took bigger shifts and a bigger change of pace. That’s the thing that’s crazy about life. Our perspectives are vastly different because no two lives are ever the same experience, even with identical twins. It’s close as it gets usually for those first twenty years, but that’s still produced the differences. It gets compounded by the separation. I want to talk about the performance aspect. To paint a little context on that, you were an athlete growing up and you were also a Division I athlete and an All-American at Wisconsin as a runner. Talk to me about the journey of sports in athletics, what that progression was like for you as a kid and how that shaped your development.

I played a lot of different sports as a kid. My older brother also was a D1 athlete. My dad played in college sports, so there’s always been a lot of athleticism in our family, even on my mom’s side. My mom would have loved to be an athlete. She was in that era where there wasn’t a lot offered to women or girls at that time. There was a lot of athletics on both sides. From a young age, I noticed a natural gift for running. I was fast and at a young age like 7 or 8, I could beat all the boys and I still could beat them all. Jana was also naturally gifted, too. She was definitely a runner. Starting from a young age, this is what I know was different about her, Jana was more naturally-gifted athlete in many ways.

The difference was I had it as an exponential drive to be good. I was more competitive. I wanted it and we all know that that’s the bread and butter. From a young age, we both knew we were gifted, but I took off more simply because I’m competitive. I like this performance and I like the claps on the back. I like the crowd cheering me on as I am coming around the corner beating someone down. I lived off that adrenaline. I was naturally hardworking, too. I definitely wasn’t just going to rely and my parents always taught me that even as I got better, they kept me humble. They made me take out the trash and do the things around the house because I’m still human. I love that about them. They kept me grounded, though being sought-after even by a lot of D1 schools.

I grew up in a supportive family of my performance. I took off more than my twin because I was more driven. I got to travel to college and become an All-American. I got to see the world traveling in Europe. It was phenomenal in a lot of ways, but during this whole time, I was starting more around teens all the way through college. I slowly started connecting a little bit of that performance to love and performance to significance. It started becoming anxiety to me. It wasn’t performance anxiety, it wasn’t that bad, but it was more of what it meant if I didn’t win, that someone would leave me and they wouldn’t love me the same.

It’s funny that I went through a period even being jealous of my twin. I was like, “You don’t have to perform and you get love.” I don’t think I ever said that to her at a young age, but I felt that. I grew up in a supportive family but as children, sometimes we make these abnormal connections that aren’t truths. We bring them into our adulthood. I started to get to the point where performance became not a joy anymore. It became anxiety. If I lose, I could lose A, B, C and D. If I lose, I can lose love. It was a fight or flight. It wasn’t even fun for me anymore. It started catapulting and depression and I started putting up a wall to people to not see that side of me. We know what walls do.

I started pulling within and not thinking anybody would like me for just me. I showed my perfect side, smiley side and performance side because I was scared to death that people would leave. That is what it comes down to, that I wouldn’t be loved for just me. Would I take it back? 100% no. I loved being an athlete. I still love to compete and I still love to run. I still love many parts of it. Probably during my late twenties, I had to take a break from running. I needed to readjust my relationship to the sport because I knew it was messed up. Even at that age where I was experiencing depression in my mid to late twenties, I had to look at different relationships, how toxic it was making me and what I was believing about myself. For a while, I had to step away from performance and from racing, even though it gave me many beautiful things.

That’s where that went for a while and now, it’s coming full circle. I love to run, compete and perform. When you grow up being a high-level athlete, which I know you can connect to things, it’s an easy road to fall down. The most epic, consistent and high-level athletes have learned to separate performance from it’s not me. It doesn’t give me significance. Of course they are mental giants, there are a lot of things we could talk about. As far as performance is fun for them and they’re getting out there, they know they’re using a gift that God has given them to serve the world. It’s performance and those are the ones that got it. When they have a perspective on what it means and how it can be used, it can be a beautiful thing.


What did you run race-wise in college? What was the experience or the moment that you’re most proud of in your competitive past or history?

I was a middle-distance runner, 800 and 1,500 meters. It’s a sprint for a long period of time. It’s a tough race. It is brutal. People don’t realize it’s technical. Our coach at the time is Peter Tegan, had Big Ten meets and nationals. It’s playing with people’s heads a little bit and sprinting head, pulling down. We ran in teams and it was strategic. We had the top middle-distance team in the country probably at the time. I was an All-American, but that wasn’t a big deal. We had national champions, we had Olympians, and I still keep in touch with a lot of those people, but we were a powerhouse when it came to middle distance.

It was fun. I love that middle distance and I still love to watch it. You require a certain of digging deep and it is painful, but you have to hold on for a long period of time. With some of the different experiences I had, one of the most memorable ones was the first time I became an All-American. It was definitely something about racing. You know you’re running a fast time. I remember coming around the corner and in the momentum, I’m like, “This is a fast time. I feel like elephants are on my back, but this is happening. You feel the crowd behind you.” The first time I became an individual All-American was absolutely a wonderful thing. I was a team in All-American in the relay, but an individual All-American in the 800. When I did that, I could feel everything was on. I could feel God and He was there all the time. The time was on and my splits run out. I could feel it even without someone saying it.

I knew right then that I was presenting the gift God gave me in the most epic way and that made me proud. He’s like, “Awesome, Jen. Rockstar.” It was more of I was like, “I got it, God.” It was interesting. I became an All-American when I got out of my stupid head. It made it about fun again. Not about performing for others, but performing for God. That was huge. Probably my second favorite was the 4×4 I did with my twin in high school, the state championship. It was because it was with her. There was a different significance there that she started and I anchored. I remember some of the reps over were like, “It’s illegal to have a person run it twice.” It was hilarious. I’m like, “We, the Watson twins, are on the circuit for years. I’d get a grip.” That was another great moment because I shared it with her and that was important.

The third came from behind when Jana got injured and I was anchoring, but we were going against an epic team that had an amazing team. Without Jana, we looked like we weren’t going to win. I got the baton and it’s 4×4 with 50 yards behind, which is huge. In my mom’s videotape, everything stands like, “Jen’s fast and a rock star, but this is impossible.” I took off a bat on a double hockey stick and I remember running the race, but everyone is saying, “This is going to be the fastest split ever.” I caught her and I ran the fastest splits of the state at the time, it was like a 54 or 55 split. My fastest time individually, which is different than a relay, was like 55 or 56 at the time. This big deal comes from behind.

Going back to the thing that I love about performance. When everybody thought I couldn’t, when the odds were stacked against me, and when I knew I was going to be in a lot of pain, I’m like, “Give me the baton. We’re freaking running this girl down.” There’s no option. I go back to that sometimes when I’m feeling I’m struggling or I’m not going to get it or all the odds are stacked against me. This is what I love about being a prior athlete in performance. When I can go back at these three examples, I’m like, “If I can do that against all odds and if I can have these epic moments that I know I worked hard for, it catapults me in many areas of my life.” I love working with athletes and prior athletes. There are these unique skillsets they bring to the table that I love and I find it intriguing. Being from my past, I get that, but those would probably be my top three that I’ll pull into once in a while to pull me forward again. I have other things that I put in my head if I’m struggling that day, that has happened since then, but from a performance-based, those are probably my top three.

That’s what the best of the best always do. They’re able to remind themselves of their experience of making that shot of running that race, doing what they’re trying to do, and then reinvigorating that flame in a lot of ways. That’s such a beautiful process that we all get to learn from, but it’s also what unlocked that was getting out of your own head and that is true of any performance. There’s a difference being the practicing mindset and the performing mindset. The practicing is in your head and it’s engaged with form strategy, technique, honing it in and getting that routine down. It’s automatic. When you get in the performance, it has to let go of everything and that is the hardest shift to make. That was the thing I struggled with the most in golf and it was brutal to be able to make that shift, especially when there are many factors going on and there are many technical pieces.

Look at the best performers like Brooks Koepka who won the PGA championship. It was dominance. He was out of his technical head and in the moment performing. It was amazing. It was one of those things that I was blown away by. It’s such an aim to see that dance in dancing itself. When you go to a choreography class, one thing I like doing is you have to learn the choreography, which is technical and in your head. When you get to the performing and you just have to let it all go. In that switch in college, what helped you make that shift? What helped you facilitate that transition from practice to performance mindset?

I went to an Athletes in Action, if you know anything about that organization. I was a part of that all the way through college, but they had a camp in Fort Collins at CSU. I remember that it was a Christ-based camp and it talked about using your athleticism and your performance to honor and glorify Him. Ironically, I found a lot of people that struggle with the same thing I did about getting out of your head and making performance more than it was. It’s utilizing the gifts that God gave you. That’s all it is. We make it about the world and what people expect from us. Having those dialogues at this camp about who we are in Christ, in that performance and getting out of our head, it’s just Him and I having this conversation of fanning the gifts. Here I am, God. I’m a rock star in what you’ve given me.

When I started looking at that way, I had this a-ha moment and this shift of, “Performance isn’t about making everybody else smile and clap for me.” It is for them, but it’s for me to get out of my head, make it about the heart and get out there and go balls to the wall. I realized that performance is not about other people, even though we’re performing in front of other people that I was able to get on my head. I realized that all I’m doing and all performance for any of us is to use our gifts that we have been working hard to do and perform at the ultimate level that He wants to see us succeed. He wants to see us get there even if we don’t hit the mark every time, which we all know that’s going to happen. It happened in sport. I’d still come down to that we were trying to continue to fan our gifts and that anchor was the same. The outcome didn’t even matter to me anymore.

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When I found out the outcome did matter to me more and that performance was about performance for others, there was a shift. I went from being in this mindset of, “In my head,” to “I’m going to have fun out there. I get to fan something I’ve been working hard at and no matter the outcome, I’m fanning something that was given to me. I’m serving in a great way of getting people together.” Sports motivate us. People get together and feel inspired to live their own life. When I started seeing that my performance helped others, inspired them to live, that if I didn’t even do well on a performance that I got up again and did it again the next time, I was being used as an example. I was serving that way that they could then do the same and that is important. I even take it into my speaking because I do a lot of public speaking where it’s performance. A lot of people will get speaker’s nerves and we talk about people who would rather die than speak. Supposedly, I’ve never gotten that, but I’m in this mindset that when I have nerves, that’s a good thing. We both know that means.

I’m not saying nerves that are out of control, but the nerves that are manageable. I’m like, “This is going to be good. I know this is a good thing.” Before I go on stage, what calms me is I’m like, “No matter if this resonates well with 1 person or 1,000 people, no matter if people think I dropped on my butt or I made this epic speech, I’m going out there because You’re calling me with the gifts You’ve given me to serve and perform by fanning my gift of saying something that I’m speaking these people about. I need to be inspirable. I need to be used as a person of wisdom to give to these people.” When I see it that way that it’s my responsibility to use my gifts, it also allows me to get out of my head. I’m there to serve. That’s all it is. No matter who responds or not, I’m at this point where I’m like, “I’m having fun using my gift to serve the world.” That’s all that matters.

That simple profound truth of having fun and using your gift for the benefit of others. That is life in a sentence. There are several books that are helpful in what you’re talking about. The first was The Rise of Superman by Steven Kotler and this book is all about flow. That hyper-focus of getting in the zone and what you’re talking about using that nerve and fear response to your advantage instead of your detriment. That’s a great book and resource for people reading to learn about that process. The other one that was helpful for me was The Inner Game of Tennis by Timothy Gallwey and it goes into the mind of any performer or athlete, especially in individual sports. It’s this conversation and the dialogue between two selves within your mind. One of them is the practice perfectionist self and the other is the performance self. When voice one that practice performance self is negative, too loud and too hard on that self number two, you limit your ability and capacity at the moment.

It’s a fascinating book on that process in the mind, but you’re right. It’s about letting go to bring out archers. I relate with you on the speaking side. Golf has prepared me as a speaker to not have nerves lead to negative outlets, but amplify my abilities when I am speaking. It clarifies. It heightens your focus and your presence and all of these wonderful things. It’s cool to see how God equips us for what He’s called us to do. I want to circle back now because this is one of the most important issues and topics of our time, and that is of depression. It’s an epidemic that we’re facing in society nowadays. The correlation between performance and love is a massive one. It’s at the root of many people’s mental health issues. When did that first start affecting you? When did you first become aware of its effect on you? There’s a big difference between being affected by it and being aware of how you’re being affected by it.

I’m a huge advocate for mental wellness. I’m huge about breaking the stigma and I love using platforms, whether it be speaking and coaching for people to come out no matter why they’re having mental wellness issues. Whether it be something like bipolar to something like a person with chronic depression. It is a huge passion of mine because I do find that there are a lot of people behind closed doors that suffer from some mental wellness issue. Usually, it’s depression and anxiety. It’s the number one reason why people go to the doctor’s office. People have this stereotype that they’re walking around outside in baggy clothes with their head down. That can be happening, too. I’ve rubbed shoulders with a lot of high achieving men and women. Once I get to know them, I learned that they either are currently or have had the struggle with depression and anxiety.

We still have a hard time sharing in our country because of the stigma that’s surrounded by it. One of my biggest goals is to break that because a lot of epic people from my past, present, and in the future too, will struggle with that. Abraham Lincoln suffered from chronic depression. I don’t know if you knew that. He was one of our most favorite presidents. It’s been out there for years but we’ve hidden it. It’s become a wound bursting open. It’s finally coming forward like, “I’m having a struggle with it.” We see higher suicide rates and the list goes on and on. I started noticing my issues with depression when I started getting a little bit better at sport and I started associating again performance to love and significance. When I started going through puberty, there is a physiological shift that can happen with depression.

People are more predisposed to depression. There’s definitely some research on that and of course, it’s never linear. There can be physical reasons and environmental reasons. From a young age, on my teenage years, when I was going through puberty, I noticed it. I said to my mom, “Mom, I’m good at school and I have a lot of great friends. I’m good at sports, but why am I sad?” I remember saying that to her and my mother was brilliant. She was always supportive and she has struggled a bit with depression when she was younger. She was able to give me a lot of tools to start supporting me, but she never made me feel unsupported on love. I remember going to her and I was embarrassed. I was ashamed and I’m like, “This doesn’t make sense.” As a Christian, I’m like, “God, I feel ashamed that I’m feeling this but I do.”

Performance and love started catapulting that and make it even more severe where it was hitting. It’s probably an awareness to me about how big a deal was in college. That’s when I started hiding, performing and smiling more. By the end of the day, I was exhausted because I was putting on this whole total front that I was okay. Meantime, I was hurting inside and I was ashamed. I slowly started coming more present like this is an issue when I was in college. Once I left college and I didn’t have sport anymore, that whole identity like, “What are you after sport?” My whole identity and significance came from sports. There was that transition and I would say that was the probably late twenties when I honestly felt suicidal. I had suicidal ideation. My mom was getting worried about me. I tried typical antidepressants and counseling. I did all kinds of things.

What I found through my journey is holistic and more alternative care helped me. Dialing in my diet, prayer, meditation, yoga, and many different things. I finally started seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. I do a certain bodywork called Integrative Manual Therapy and it worked well with those on mental wellness issues. That became my journey in my PT role of getting certified. I work on a lot of people with mental wellness, PTSD issues and depression. Ironically, God used my pain and struggle to create an opportunity to help others heal from a bodywork, nutritional and coaching perspective, and rock star a business that I probably had no right rock star-ing at the time. I opened my first practice in 2008. You shouldn’t do it and I couldn’t do it. I thought about the 4×4 and I’m like, “If I can do that, I could do this. No God wants me to use my pain to freaking serve the world. I’m opening this clinic against what everybody’s saying. In my intuition, I’m going with it.”

I sold it in 2016 to one of my therapists that worked for me and it was successful, but it was through my pain and my struggle. I’m in my late 20s and early 30s when I was finally dialing in and starting to be more open with my close family and friends what was going on then I also could serve. My pain was helping other people feel better. Go figure it out. I’m a big joke. I always say things like, “We make plans and God laughs. This is how I’m going to heal myself. I’m not going to let anybody see my pain.” He made me explode my pain and show people who I am. Only then did I start seeing success in other areas of my life and becoming more authentic with people in my professional life taking off. I’m like, “I’m supposed to be honest with people about my struggle.”

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When we say it, of course, that makes sense, but when you’re definitely scared that someone’s going to reject you, walk away. You will do everything you can within your power to not let that happen. I kept performing and doing well on the outside. Meantime, I was slowly spiraling and dying like the walking dead. I feel horrible. Once I realized my pain in college, I’m in trouble like, “Something’s not good here,” and then I got out of college. I’m like, “Now, what is my significance? I don’t have my sport anymore.” That’s when the healing started because I finally broke down. This next era of my life, I’m taking it worldwide. I’m sharing my story with people and my experience in my specialties that I’ve accrued over the years of my own journey to the world. I did a TEDx Talk and I remember my mom was like, “How did it go?” I’m like, “It went well but holy crap. I’ve never shared my story this much that’s going to be on such a big platform.” Go hard or go home. Jump off the cliff, so to speak. I realized that that’s my next journey. God wants me to continue to use my gifts and family gifts, but continue to be vulnerable and share my story.

When I do, there’s so much healing I see as a coach, speaker and friend. I continue to see my own healing to the next level. If we’re not adapting and growing, we’re dying. God wants us to grow, adapt and learn. That’s one thing that this darkness that’s part of me has absolutely made me more empathic, intuitive, kind, compassionate, patient, giving and understanding. It’s made me a better therapist, daughter, sister, friend and follower of Christ. It’s been a journey and God had to see my brokenness, to be honest. That is a beautiful thing. When we’re broken is when we see our true selves and our gifts. Also, we give others the courage to do the same. It’s my goal to have people the courage to step forward and say, “I may have a mental illness, but it’s no different than having a physical illness. It doesn’t define me and can catapult me.”

I often say, “Our darkness and our struggles are our rocket fuel. It’s our superpower and I found that when I embraced my struggle. That’s where I’m at now. Do I still struggle with depression? 100%. Life happens. I’m not going to be happy all the time. What I’ve learned is any equation to stay ahead of the game. Do intentions every day to do things to proactively stay on top because I’m more predisposed to that. You’ve got to be careful of stuff like that. I’m honest about that, but it doesn’t affect me. It’s only a part of me and my story. When I feel it coming on, I have a support system to help pull me up in a great way. I catch it and I’m honest about it. I have accountability to people. I’m just out there with it. You’ve been on top of it.

That frequency duration is gone. I don’t feel suicidal and I don’t feel my life is insignificant. I don’t feel all these things I used to feel. Do I have depression every once in a while? Of course. All of us do, but it’s not the spiraling moments where it takes you down because I know my triggers. I know what helps and, it’s just like having arthritis in your knee. I’m a PT. I’m like, “It doesn’t have to keep you from skiing. You might have to do some prep work, PT and stretches, but you could still ski.” I blew out my knee skiing several years ago for being a little overly aggressive, but I still ski. Do I feel it if I go too hard? I do. Do I have to rehab it if I go too hard for a week of skiing? Yes, but it’s a part of me. It doesn’t keep me from doing it.

Mental illness or mental wellness is just a part of you. If you struggled with depression, who cares? I’m like, “Get your ducks in a row. Get the people to help you, the support that helps you and then move it out. It doesn’t have to be a big issue.” We get in our head like sport and we make it a big issue. Before you know it, we don’t share with anybody and then it all becomes a crap show. It doesn’t have to be and I want people to get that sooner than later. There’s so much of you that’s brilliant that has nothing to do with your depression. Your darkness, those parts that you’re depressed about is your rocket fuel for how you’re going to be relatable to others and how you’re compassionate. If we can change perception on the hard stuff, it can catapult our gratitude and so much in our day. This is no different from mental wellness or mental issues. It’s no different than a physical issue. We, in this country, have to understand that. When we’re okay with that, more people will come forward and find tools. I want to be one of those people that help support them to rock start their life because they deserve that. You have one life and you don’t know how long it’s going to be. It’s important for us to maximize our life and I want to see all of us do that. Truly, all of us are a gift from God and we want to live that.

I remember our pastor is going through Genesis and he talked about in Genesis 16, the story of Sarah and Hagar. Hagar was given to Abraham, which he shouldn’t have done, but he took her as his wife and he had a son with her. Sarah was jealous, got angry and started being mean to her. She fled away and God appeared to her and gave her a blessing. After that, I love what she says in response. It says in verse 13 of chapter 16, “She called the name of the Lord who spoke to her saying, ‘You are a God of seeing. Truly here I have seen him who looks after me.’” I’m like, “That is one of the most beautiful things that have been said of God.” He’s the God of seeing. He sees us where we’re at, He loves us where we’re at and is perfectly okay with where we’re at. We’re in the process of becoming who He has us to be in the future, but He sees us where we are. What a gift that He sees us and He knows us where we are.

That’s a great verse. In summary, that’s why I feel God always says to me, “I’ve got this. Chill out.” I’m a strong opinionated, impatient person and he’s like, “I see you. I see what you’re asking. I’ve got this and I do feel it.” I would say it as a joke, “I feel like God doesn’t leave me alone.” They’re like, “I feel like I never hear from God.” I’m like, “Are you kidding me? He won’t leave me alone.” Sometimes, I ignore Him but it’s such a blessing. I feel like He’s constantly talking to me and guiding me. He’s also using past people that have died before me. Unfortunately, I lost my stepdad and my sister to cancer and my dad a couple of years earlier.

We’ve had a lot of loss in our family, but I feel like He uses them to come to me to help with intuition. I feel like He sees me where I’m at and I have to trust that. Even as I get older, I’m getting better at it. There are times that I’m like, “God, where is this?” He’s like, “I got this. Chill out. I see you.” We, as humans, want to be known, seen and heard. We want people to get us and own us, even with companionship. That’s what we want. God put that in us and we want it from Him most of all. When He says in that verse, “I see you,” I’m like, “He knows me, sees me and gets me. I can show out.”

Another great quote, Josephine said, “The experience of being understood versus interpreted is so compelling, you can charge admission.” We all have that desire and you’re right. How has the nature of facing and fighting mental illness or striving for mental wellness changed in the last several years? In my opinion, it seems like the day and age and society we live in now amplifies the harmful effect of those things. It creates a hard environment to overcome that in and that has amplified the causes of it and the effect of it to more people. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on that. How have you experienced the difference in that? How can you help others in that of our current society?

I’ll make two separate points and platforms. One, in a variety of rounds, not just in mental wellness, but we have jumped in catalysts, leaps and bounds on alternative integrative care to help with mental wellness on a variety of platforms. It doesn’t mean that traditional care is not good. Some people need meds and some people need other things that are more traditional-based. I’m never here to argue that point. What we have found is that it was some things like depression and anxiety, a lot of that mainstream traditional wasn’t necessarily working or working that well where there was a plateau.

We’ve come a huge way in the last several years in alternative care from diet, nutrition, exercise and meditation. Different techniques that counselors use from EMDR to cognitive remapping to ENT, and neuro-emotional techniques. Also, for those that have had severe trauma like physical and sexual abuse. We have catapulted in support and I want all of the readers to know that. If you don’t know, you can DM me. I have many practitioners I’m honored to work with that can help support you doing what your needs are. We’ve catapulted in medicine, alternative and even traditional to help home people in that area. As far as the last several years making it hard if they don’t 100% agree with you for a variety of reasons. You and I both use social media. We are externally connected and we have more external stimulus coming at us that we, as individuals, have to digest.

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If you’re prone to mental wellness issues, there’s a resource that we’re taking in twenty times the amount of external stimulus that we were then 50 years ago. Our body is having a hard time even digesting that. We’re supposed to take in and then put out. We can’t even process this stuff. Half the stuff we’re processing is erroneous beliefs. We were well connected, but we’re disconnected. From Facebook to even news, we don’t even know what to believe anymore. We’re not just taking in too much information, but we’re also taking the information that may or may not be true and we’re still digesting it. You deal with someone that’s having mental wellness issues, whatever that is. When you’re bringing in that much external stimuli, erroneous beliefs and things that aren’t even true, it’s toxic. There is research on this. The amount of depression has gone up and they look at their brains. They found that the brain of a teenager now that are on social media, the minimum was ten hours a week, which is nothing for teenagers. Their brain scan looks exactly the same as the kid who was addicted to an opioid. That’s crazy.

There’s amazing stuff out there and we can get past this. I’m not saying social media is all that. I use it, but there needs to be boundaries for one. We have a world now that we are more externally connected than ever and some of those external conditions are truths, they’re also untruths. We’re feeding it into young minds and it is truly like putting Drano in your mouth. We are suppressing serotonin, dopamine and creativity. We’re creating fear of the Olympic stage of fear. We’re getting cortasol dropped in the system because of fight or flight from all the stuff that we’re taking in. In the last several years, we’ve seen a huge catapult in technology and there’s a beauty to that, but my dad always used to say that it’s going to come at a cost of our soul. I don’t think it has to be, but we have to be careful and understand that the things we take in day in and day out externally, including social media, can be toxic.

We need to create boundaries and we need to know what our triggers are. I know what mine are that can spiral depression. We have to get information out there and let technology serve us and help us completely expand our gifts, but know that there need to be boundaries. I 100% agree that depression has been around since the beginning of time, but we’re seeing it catapult because we’re getting so much verbal toxicity thrown at us every single day. We’ve got to find ways like a morning routine, a collaboration of supportive people, surround yourself with goodness, and doing things and creating boundaries that don’t allow that toxicity in. It’s important for anyone’s mental health. Let alone those that have a tendency prone to mental wellness issues, I put boundaries up.

I have times that my phone is off. I have times where I’m not doing social media. I know you probably do this block scheduling like, “This is when I’m on. This is when I’m off.” I legitimately stick to it because I know when I haven’t. I’m going through a sad time and I’m seeing everybody doing well on social media. How does that go? You start spiraling like, “No.” I encourage all readers out there that mental wellness doesn’t have to be an issue. We have support out there. We’ve come a long way, but create boundaries because our technology of the last several years has definitely created triggers that don’t need to be there if we create a healthy boundary with the technology that we’re in.

It’s truly a vital issue at this point and I wrote a blog post on costs and how everything in life has a cost. It’s either an immediate cost or a deferred cost. If we defer the cost, it always costs more. It’s simple. Look at credit cards. That’s the easiest example. If we can understand that everything has a cost, especially opportunities, then we can start making decisions in light of that. Hopefully, making healthier decisions with our time, money, resources and energy because it all has a cost. We have to live with that and it affects us. I love what you had to share. It’s practical but relatable and personal to this day and age. It’s important for many people.

This is such a big part. We’re not going to get to all of the layers here. Unfortunately, one podcast cannot do it justice, but I love the field of Integrative Manual Therapy. I’ve been blessed to have several women in my life that I’ve known who are integrated male therapists and they’re amazing gifted healers. I’ve worked with so many people with my own body issues in golf and trying to solve that problem. It is an under present part of the medical field and it needs to be amplified because there’s not enough of you guys out there. For people reading, what is Integrative Manual Therapy? How did you get into it? How did you develop as a therapist in that field?

I always wanted to be a rock star PT and I wanted my own practice. I wanted to bring the best tools to the table no matter what the person was coming to me for, mental, physical or spiritual. That’s my MO. I want to be good at what I’m doing and serve in that way. I remember before I started my own practice, a woman was working with me at the clinic I was managing and she was doing this weird technique, but she was getting everybody better. I’m like, “What are you doing?” She said, “It’s Integrative Manual Therapy.” This was years ago and I’m like, “I don’t get it. What is it?” She explained it to me. I took one course with her and I bit. Ironically, I believe God sent her to me at that point because that was at my peak of mental depression.

I started taking the course and then I became certified. It was a three-year program. My mental wellness issues started to dissipate because it was working for me, too, in my head. In my personal journey, God brought it to me for healing and He brought it to me to help serve people with whatever issue that they were bringing to the table. As far as Integrative Manual Therapy, all of us practitioners treat a little bit differently. Our hands and our focus on what clients we like to work on are a little bit different. I love to work on women’s health and pelvic floor. I love God. I love the mental, cranial vault, cranial work and mental wellness. People come to me of all kinds of mental wellness issues. I love my athletes. The nice thing is Integrative Manual Therapy works on all of that because it allows us to work on not just the musculoskeletal system, but look at you as a whole. It may be coming from a different source than even where your whole pain is at. It also allows us to work on all systems of the body, including your gut, cardiovascular, central nervous system, the brain.

Depending on the IMT therapists, we hone in on a particular system or a particular population. We all have this skillset that integrative means is looking at our body, our system as a whole because it all integrates together. All of our body systems are like a baseball team. They’re there to communicate and make sure that we’re doing everything we want to do every day. Even reaching for a cup of water, that takes 1,000 synapses to even happen. The complication of the body is amazing and Integrative Manual Therapy, this bodywork allows us to take in those complicated systems, break it down and heal most systems. That’s why I love it. I’ve taken other courses. I’ve definitely taken other certifications and it’s not that they’re not good as well, but it only took me so far.

Integrative Manual Therapy is this particular hands-on bodywork that allows us to step back and look at us as a whole beyond your pain and see if there are other systems and areas involved to help us serve you in the most effective way. Mine were golfers that weren’t even working on their shoulders. We were looking at working on their L4 or L5, get them more symmetrical and getting more rotation. Their golf swing improved and I don’t do anything with golf per se. I’m like, “What are your goals?” They’re like, “You don’t golf.” I’m like, “That’s not the point. We need to know. We’d have to go back to your biomechanics and your problem isn’t your shoulder. It’s your back. You need rotation when you swing.” I do know that but it’s interesting. The integrative allows us, as human beings, to be humble and to step back. You tell us what the problem is because your body tells us. If we step back and look at all the systems and all were the sources of pain could be coming from, appreciate the complexity of the body, but also understand that we can break it down. Simplistically, treat the number one kahuna in creating this domino effect in every other area of your body.

We had Meki Blackwell on the show and she is a fashion practitioner and gifted with her hands. In talking and doing some background research, I had multiple people say that your superpower is that you are a healer. You have the gift and it’s amazing that people verify your refined skills, the practice and the effect that you’re having on people for good and for health. It’s a blessing to be able to do that. You’ve got a lot going on. What is a week in the day in the life of Jennifer Watson in 2019 look like?

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I know you’re going to be able to understand this because as entrepreneurs, we always have our hands in 8,000 pots, but it feels right. It’s not just entrepreneurs, but I surround myself with high achieving and up their game people. When I say what I’m doing, they’re like, “That’s cool. How can we support you?” or vice versa. It’s not this weird that I have to justify but it’s awesome. I’m surrounded by amazing, epic people that are doing their own thing. Maybe some readers might be like, “She might be doing a little too much,” but for me, they’re all collaboratory and cohesive. I do have an Integrative Physical Therapy practice. I love that part. In Colorado, I do see high-level athletes sometimes. I do love my women, women’s health and gut health. I do love mental wellness. I do a lot of cranial work on those with PTSD.

When I had my practice in Virginia, I worked a lot with military wives and PTSD. I love that practice. That’s probably a small portion of what I’m doing because God has progressed my healing path into another area. The PT is part of it, but now I’m doing a lot more health coaching, and soul and performance coaching. The soul portion is looking at that mental health trauma. That’s has gotten people off the railroad tracks, so to speak. I’m a health coach and soul, but I’m also that performance leadership coach with my background. I love working with people in their health, leadership goals and entrepreneurial goals.

I have group programs as well as one-on-one depends on the season, but I’m definitely standing that a little bit more. One area that I’m excited about and that I’ve been fanning a lot is my speaking. I do a lot more motivational speaking. I’ve always done speaking a lot of my life on health topics and small venues, but I’m wanting to go a little bit more global and impacted it on a bigger stage. I’m working a lot to create this package to be able to serve on a bigger platform because that’s where I feel God is putting me. With Jennifer Watson Leadership, which is my coaching and speaking, they’re like, “You’re a healer, Jen. That is a gift of yours. You’re going to heal in a different way.” I believe the coaching speaking is where I’m at on that. The Single Soul Purpose podcast is fun because I’m producing a summit along with that, which is the Life Revolution Summit. What I love about the podcast and the summit is it’s my playtime. It gives me an opportunity to connect to people that are epic and everybody learns off each other.

I learn as much of my podcast as hopefully the readers do. The Life Revolution Summit is about giving people many health leaderships, thought leadership type of tools to make their life epic, and getting a bunch of awesome people together to do that. My podcast and my summit are about connecting to awesome, epic people together to let people know that they can be awesome and epic, too. I’ve been humble with the people that have come on my podcast and also the people coming to my summit, including you, Thane. I’m humbled by that and I believe that God has continued to use that. I’m in this phase where I feel like we lost a lot with our family and I remember even questioning God, “Why?” 2019 is a blooming year and I feel like He’s giving me a lot of things on a serving platter and I’m doing this like, “What is going on?” What I’m questioning is too good to be true. I’m going to do it.

I feel like God is doing that and He says, “Here, go with it. You were wondering? I’ve got your back. I told you I’ve got your story and I’m seeing you.” I have my coaching speaking, my PTs and the podcast. It sounds a lot, but they’re all collaboratory for me to let people understand and get. This is not just for me. This is not just for you, Thane. It’s for everybody to get that there are tools out there to help support you to get you in the life that you want. If you’re reading this blog, it’s probably because you’re not quite there yet. You’re stuck. I believe that you can get unstuck and God doesn’t want you there. God wants you to live an abundant life personally, financially and professionally, whatever your desires.

I believe He gives you the desires He gives you because He put them in there for a reason. If your desire is to make six figures, it’s going to happen. If your desire is to meet someone, it’s going to happen. Whatever it is, it’s there for a reason. If I can be used on my platforms to serve in a way to get people to get that, awesome. If it’s 1 or 1000 or 10,000 or 100, I don’t care. If I have someone get how epic they are and they had these amazing power tools, power sets, things in their life, and their own rocket fuel to get there, then I’ve done my job.

It’s definitely an important message. One thing I love is how much you integrate your faith with your life. It was what God calls us to, but what has that faith journey been like? How has your relationship with God deepened, changed and shifted? How has that grown throughout even the last several years? What does that process been like for you?

I’ve been asked and called by God to step into my faith and I’m going to be honest with you, Thane. I’ve lost some friends and colleagues. I do believe that God calls us to do actions in support of what He’s given us and my faith is important. I am a Christ-follower and He guides my every path. I’m never going to ask someone to believe the way I do and go down my path the way I do. They 100% will know me and know where I stand. In the last several years, as I’ve come out with my truth of who I am and my struggles, I’ve gotten more courage in stepping more into my faith in what I teach and what I truly believe in. I’m seeing God bless that, too.

I’m in a world where it’s spiritual in a lot of ways, but even beyond that. That is missing the relationship that is important to create the life you want, the life of love and the life of Christ. No matter what, I want people to get that there is hope, beauty, and love that goes beyond you. That’s what my faith is about. I’m never here to judge someone about what they believe and how they believe. I’m intrigued by it and I want to support them on their journey. If you’re ever going to ask me what my feelings are, what my opinions are, and what my faith is, I will 100% lay it on the line. I will say it the most loving way I can, whether you’re offended or not, that’s who I am. I want people to understand that. If I can lead by my actions and my faith, I can lead in what I call the Christ-like behavior.

I’m not perfect. I’ve made my mistakes and I’ve learned from them. My faith is important to me and it absolutely is the guider of everything I do. If there’s anything that has been requested or asked in the last several years, God has said, “Put your money where your mouth is because you’re about to get ringed.” I’ve walked in lion’s den before. All of us have religion, spirituality, and politics that are high reading topics. I do believe that we, as people of faith, all of us can be this way, but I will speak for myself that I can do things in a loving, truthful and kind way. People understand where I come from and my faith is important. It guides everything I do. I would be anything in this life beyond Christ in what He has done for me and openly giving His life in a lot of ways. I’m honored and I’m happy that I grew up in the family that I did and my family gave that to me. It’s a huge influencer and the reason why I am where I’m at now. Praise the Lord.

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Amen. What’s amazing about our faith is that it was given to us. We didn’t ultimately choose it. God chose us in that and changed our hearts. How could we ever expect to judge or prescribe to others what we’ve been given? We can’t change the heart. We get to love and show the fruit of it and hopefully, bring about that desire that God plants a seed in. It’s not our role to save people, so we need to stop pretending like we need to have all the right answers and defend everything perfectly. That’s not at all what God wants. He wants us to have hearts for Him and after that, follow the actions for Him out of love. It’s as simple as that. We often get it too complicated, but I do love that. You mentioned the deaths in 2018 and it’s a hard year. That’s something that I haven’t had to go through yet and isn’t something I’ve had a lot of experience with, especially with family. I would love to hear from you what that year and those losses, in the moment, that is different from now. Maybe share a little bit about, in the moment, what you went through and then even now as you look back on it, what God brought in you through those times?

It was a tough year for our family in many ways. My mother had to bury a daughter and she’s had to bury two husbands. We lost so much in 2018, but I’m proud of our family. It wasn’t that we didn’t struggle on a lot of days and there is this source of healing that had to take place. I’ll be honest with you, Thane, I put my professional goals on hold. I had to be there for my family. God was like, “This is a priority.” That’s why he’s blessing this year so much. Everything I wanted last year, professionally, came to a crashing halt in a lot of ways, but it was hard. I was very close to my sister and ironically, stepping back, I moved back to Colorado a couple of years ago and I left my twin in my thriving practice in PT. I said the phrase, “We make plans and God laughs.” I remember intuitively, I’m like, “Everything’s crazy, but there’s a reason I need to move back to Colorado.”

I had all my reasons, professional reasons and personal reasons. God was saying, “There’s a bigger reason.” After 1.5 years of being here, I found out that my older sister was sick and there wasn’t a lot of time. I get to spend an additional two years where I could see her more. That right there, hands down was enough for me to move here alone. God is like, “I see you and you’re here for a reason. Forget what everyone else says, all the external noise.” I was able to be here for my family, for my older sister’s children. They’re in their twenties and they lost so much. I’ve got to be here for my brother as well. I’ve gotten to support my nieces and nephews in many ways. This journey was heartbreaking and I remember thinking, “Can I go on without them?” They were my number one supporter, my two dads and my oldest sister. You’ve got the speaking and the summit, they wanted to come and they couldn’t.

Going through the process of healing and everybody heals differently, there was so much brokenness in them. Even though I knew I could, I had this moment of, “Can I go on? What does my life look like without them in it?” You do go through those stages of healing and I went through probably 5 or 6 times, but through all of it, you can use so much of your pain as your rocket fuel. When you’re on ground zero at rock bottom with a loss like that, you have nowhere to go but up. It’s true. I saw myself catapult in empathy, sympathy and compassion. I grew so much in 2018, not just personally and professionally, but I grew in my relationship with Christ. I grew into being a better friend and so much in my pain made me vulnerable and open. I lost total ego. Pain and loss do that. Ego has its place. Everything ego was bad, but we relied too much on it as human beings. Satan relies on that for us.

When you’re in that much pain, either you go high right or high left, and you’re going to go down the evil dark side or the lighter side where God wants you. It doesn’t mean you’re not going to have dark hard moments, but I found myself at that rock bottom when I’ve lost half my family like, “Where would I go with this?” I felt Him absolutely say, “Here you go. This is going to be a huge growth year for you.” I grew so much in many ways because I decided. My pain was painful, but I remember going back to being an athlete. I’m like, “I’ve been through hard pain. I felt heartache, but I know what’s on the other side of that. I’m going back to performance and stuff like that. I know that something’s going to happen, this rejuvenation of me,” so I didn’t run from it. I learned not to run from pain. I learned to use my vulnerability and boost my ego. I had amazing friends come forward, half the friends that you talk to were there for me during a tough time.

They saw this other side of me. This strong leader Jen was broken, but they also saw a more compassionate and deeper side of me than they probably ever have seen in me before. A lot of other beautiful gifts formed during that time. My vulnerability connected me more with people and it’s now helping me in 2019. Anybody that’s lost someone out there, I get it. You feel like you’re suffocating a little bit and you’re going to have those days. It’s the reality of it, but healing does happen with time and time does heal. There’s something to that. Take a step, even if it’s going on a walk or a call with a friend. Try not to pull inside. It’s the natural thing we all want to do and that’s what Satan wants us to do. It’s to hide and mourn on ourselves.

This is when we need our companions and our family to be there for us. That’s important, but I wouldn’t take it back for anything. I feel closer to them in some ways than I did when they were alive in different ways. I feel like God is always talking to me, but He’s using them as well as like, “You’ve got this on the summit. You’ve got to use them.” I feel them in my head, so in some ways, I feel closer to them. It’s been painful and it was a hard journey, but 100% it has catapulted me in-depth, compassion, vulnerability and refined my gifts more in many ways. I feel it more than ever and our family who still is mourning and healing would say the same thing.

Thank you for sharing. It is a powerful and sobering thing, but it’s important because it grounds us to the reality of life that we’re all going to die. Every single person on this planet dies. There’s only one person who didn’t and escaped the jaws of death and that was Jesus. He died and broke the chains of death for us by resurrecting. That’s the gift that we have. We can face it without fear and trepidation. Getting to talk to some of your community was an awesome experience. Some of the ways they described you were fierce, powerful, authentic, passionate and intense. You’re right on that leader’s side. One of the things that’s clear through this conversation is you’re a disciplined person with a lot of guiding principles. One in your community wanted to know, what is your number one guiding principle in life? What is that guiding principle that stands the test of time and is the cream of the crop in a lot of ways?

Self-integrity. You’re going to do what you say you’re going to do and you’re going to do it. We all talk about integrity a lot. I want to be a person of self-integrity in my personal, professional and Christ relationship that I’m going to do what I say I’m going to do because I’m worth it. The people that are in my life are worth it. The goals that I have in my life and my intuition is worth it. Every part of it is worth it. This is the era of dialing in self-improvement in our work. It comes down to my other phrase, which is self-leadership. We need our community and we need to connect with people 100%. At the end of the day, it comes down to you. It comes down to the decisions you make no matter how that’s guided for you. I’m a big believer when I coach, speak and have friends keep me accountable, I want them to be able to ask them the question, “Are you leading by self-integrity?” If I can’t say 100% yes, then I’m not doing the right thing.

Part of that is self-leadership, leading myself where God wants me to lead. If I can’t lead myself, if I can’t lead integrity for myself, how can I love myself? How can I love others? How can I ask them to be in integrity? How can I do any of that? It’s that whole Law of Attraction. When I’m leading that way, when I’m displaying that behavior and when people are seeing it from me like, “She’s doing that consistency and self-integrity.” I give them the courage to do the same and then I bring in those same people. It’s just that Law of Attraction, God bringing that momentum. It doesn’t mean my life is perfect, but when I keep self-integrity in mind, I do think about that. That’s one of my prayers every day. “God, help me to be humble and open up to what you want me to learn. Help me to stand in self-integrity every day.” Do I fail some days? Of course, I’m human, but that’s my goal and that’s where I want to go. That’s what God’s put on my heart to continue to be authentic. When I’m authentic with myself, I’m going to lead myself with integrity and thus, the domino effect begins.

What questions do you ask yourself the most?

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Am I making the best impact that I can make in my life? Am I doing everything I can with the gifts God has given me to make the biggest impact? That is probably my number one goal, to use my gifts to make the greatest impact that I can on this earth. When I’m on my deathbed, I can say, “I did the best with what I had to impact in the best way I knew how.” For someone, it might be their community and for some, that might be their church or family. It doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, that’s what we all want. It’s what I want and that’s what I ask myself every day. Am I making an impact? Am I doing the work with my gifts to make the biggest impact I can make? I’m hard on myself, so I have to cook sometimes these small wins. It’s an opportunity for me, so that’s my biggest question I ask.

Death is a tool for helping us. I keep that more front and center of mind. I’m like, “Am I making an impact? This is going to be dead and gone soon.” It’s a great reminder. If your body could talk, what would it say?

Jennifer, you are your own Wonder Woman. I always loved Wonder Woman. I have a picture of her in my car dangling from my rear-view mirror. Do you know what’s funny? I’m not as fit as her. I can’t run as fast as I did in college. Not even close, but my body feels on game with where I’m at in life. It would say like, “You are Wonder Woman. Keep going with it.”

What book or books have had the biggest impact on you?

From a business standpoint, The 4-Hour Workweek. I love that book. That was the thing that catapults me to make the biggest step into an entrepreneur years ago. That is probably one of my favorites as far as entrepreneurial books. I am such a self-improvement junkie. I’ve read a lot of Tony Robbins’ books, to be honest, and those are some of my most impactful. I resonate with his type of work. Brendon Burchard, I’m sure you’ve heard of him, too, but a lot of their self-improvement books, I resonate the most with. I would have to clump it hard where I bring one right out there. I do a lot of fun reading like science topic-based and love, romance-based. I love those books, too. As far as just improvement, I love Tony Robbins. I love The 4-Hour Workweek. Those catapulted me back when I was starting entrepreneurship and when self-improve was just coming on the cuss when Tony Robbins became popular. Those books get me going.

Do you have a favorite on the fun side?

It’s called Unconditional Love and it’s a fictional book, but it’s based on a spiritual sense and a Christ sense. Unconditional and Unending Love is the name of the book. I’ve read it for the first time in high school. If you have those favorite books, you’ll read them again. It’s probably one of my favorite books to read from a love standpoint because it’s more than a romance novel. It’s about love. I remember talking to another gentleman on his podcast that, “To have to put on unconditional love, love is unconditional. Why do we put unconditional in front of it?” That’s what this book is going deep end. It’s not about what unconditional love truly is and I believe that we can have that with a one-on-one person, your community or your family, so it’s a big deal.

Have you read Redeeming Love?

I have. That’s a good book as well.

I read that, which was out of the field for me, but it had a huge impact on me. I was blown away by it. Which do you feel most connected to, the past, the present or the future?

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At present, it’d probably be the future, but I try to dial it in. I need to stay in the present, but I always find myself excited about future events. I have to be present doing my morning routine that it’s great to look at that and have those goals, but stay in the presence of that future can happen. I’ve tended to go to the future because I’m a natural visionary, so it’s a great gift, but you have to dial it in. I’m working on being more present versus always going to the future.

What new habit or belief has most positively impacted you in your life?

Consistency. Over anything else, I’m just small steps. I say that as a coach, but also for myself because I wasn’t always believed in. It can’t be that easy. For me and other people I interview that is a rock star, they’d probably see some of the things as consistency. Pick the habit and pick the intention. In the morning routine, for me, you’ve got to do consistency consistently because if you don’t, nothing’s going to happen at all or that fast. That’s the behavior probably dialed in the most that I’m most excited about that I’ve seen the most results.

If you could send a morning text reminder to every Up & Comer out there, what would you say and why? They get this message from you every morning on their phones.

You are epically you and you have your own unique superpowers. Now, go out there and freaking get it.

Where can people connect? What’re the best places to reach out? The socials. Give them all the info.

Instagram is the easiest place to reach me and that’s @JenniferWatsonLeadership. Also, reach out to my Facebook page, which is Jennifer Watson Leadership as well. I do have a website, Jennifer Watson Leadership, but as far as DM-ing me, getting support from me, and learning about a lot of my programs, Instagram and Facebook are probably the best places to reach me in that.

Definitely reach out and connect. This has been a blast. I’m excited about all that you’re doing and all that God’s doing through you. I can’t wait to collaborate in Colorado. It’s going to be awesome.

I’m excited to have you. As many of you know, Thane is epic. He’s one of those amazing individuals and I’m honored to have been on your show, Thane. You’re an amazing human being that God has created. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Jennifer. I appreciate the kind words and for all of you reading, we hope you have an up and coming week.

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UAC 98 | Health RevolutionI’m an integrative physical therapist, health + soul + leadership coach, breakthrough & inspirational speaker and entrepreneur.

My true passion is working with high achieving women & men to achieve the health + the leadership they truly desire post-trauma…and assisting this process through the healing power of mental wellness + your unique soul power + your badass scars.

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