For some, being good in all aspects of life is as easy as a choice, while for others, it’s much more complicated. People often doubt if being good is a worthy pursuit, or could they be wasting their time? Small Business Owner, Model, and Actor, Chad Masters, generously shares his profound knowledge on what being good really means. He talks about the importance of educating yourself in terms of what you should really be doing in life. He explains the differences and similarities of anointing and appointing, and how you can decide what’s best. Chad gets personal as he lets us into his personal life experiences to serve as an inspiration of taking that meaningful and usually difficult first step to being good in life.
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Fellowship Ft. Chad Masters: Why Being The Good Is A Worthy Pursuit No Matter Who You Are
This is episode 99th, which is special in itself, but it’s a fellowship episode. These episodes are more of a peer-to-peer conversation with a friend. This fellowship episode is with none other than Chad Masters. Who is Chad? Chad is a twenty-something from a small town in Florida. Educationally, he has two business degrees and is pursuing a Master’s degree while enjoying newlywed life. He works as a model by day and by night, he is building what he hopes will be a movement that inspires people to “be the good” wherever they are. He ends it by saying, “A man is not known for what he does from 9 to 5, but for what he does from 5 to 9.” It will be a fun conversation. Chad’s a great friend of mine and a great brother.
We’ll talk about all things starting over or developing new career paths. We’ll talk a lot about taking it easy on yourself or the inner voice and when we’re too hard on ourselves. We’ll talk about things like fears, questions and uncertainties. We’ll talk about the need for faith and when having faith is hard. We’ll talk a lot about intentionality and the way we think versus the way culture thinks. There are a lot of interesting topics here and you’re going to enjoy it. We also have a quote off, which is entertaining. There’s a lot of good stuff.
If you want to connect with him, you can find him at The Good & The Chad and on Instagram, @TheGoodAndTheChad. His website is TheGoodAndTheChad.com and they are striving to be the good in the world. I appreciate and enjoy this fun conversation. I get excited for the 100th episode. We’ve got a few exciting things and we’re dropping a video on YouTube, so definitely check us out. It’ll be a sweet video celebrating our century mark and we’re also going to do a fun podcast with none other than yours truly and my lovely co-host, the Adam Setser. Stay tuned for that. For now, enjoy this fellowship episode with Chad Masters.
Chad Masters, welcome to the Up & Comers Show.
I don’t know if you know this about me, but ever since second grade, about seven years old, I’ve had a speech impediment where it’s not a stutter but a stammer. A stammer is when you have trouble starting. That’s alluding to what we’re going to be talking about. I’ve always had trouble starting things. Remember, it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish. I’m working on getting through this stammer as well as getting through starting, executing and finishing things in my own life. I’m excited to be here. Thanks for having me.
I had a guy in high school who did have a bit of a stutter that he dealt with. It was interesting, but it’s such a mental thing. The mind amplifies it so much. If we can get past over the awareness of it, accept it, embrace it and think about what we want to do versus what we don’t want to do, it changes our ability to speak.
I’ve been in speech therapy for twenty years and I stopped throughout high school. The more I would talk about having a speech impediment, the more it would show its ugly face. There were seasons in my life where I forgot about it in high school and I didn’t struggle with it. The more power I gave that struggle, the more power it had over me. It got to a point where I’m like, “Maybe I’m going to be in a place where I’m going to be doing a podcast in my buddy Thane’s casa.” There’s going to be times when I’m going to need to publicly speak and I can’t avoid it. If that thought of stammering is going to hit me and make me mess up on podcasts, on stage or whatever it may be, I need to learn how to confront this thing and figure out how I can take it in stride. I had to drown myself where I was in a situation where I had to publicly speak.
People say public speaking is the third greatest fear like flying, then heights, then public speaking, then large bugs. I think death is number six. In my opinion, public speaking isn’t the largest fear. The issue is public thinking. People struggle with public thinking. Anybody can get on stage and read off of a PowerPoint, but who can stand on stage and answer questions that they’re not ready for or share their own opinion on different things? Public thinking is scarier because you’re not prepared. I had to drown myself in situations where I was in a position to publicly think, answer questions, ask questions and post thoughts that I have used to put myself in this situation. If you want to hear what my stammer sounds like, I’ll pause and then I’ll start a new sentence because I noticed that sentence isn’t going to work. I couldn’t find the rhythm and I find another word to say.
Public thinking is fascinating. That’s spot on because at the end of the day, the best speakers have practiced and refined their message so much that it is their second nature. They’re able to flow with it and then insert the nuance, character and drama that makes it an engaging and captivating story. You can’t do that until you refined your thinking to a sense that you have mastery over this subject matter in your mind.
You don’t need to be a master of something to be good at speaking about it. A lot of it is that intellectual block you may have and thinking like, “Maybe I’m not a master of this, so I should not be speaking about it,” or, “I can’t do this, therefore,” and then you can’t. I love that quote, “Whether you think you can or can’t, you’re right.” It’s always stuck with me.Public speaking isn’t the largest fear, the issue is public thinking. Click To Tweet
We were riffing on that when we talked about the placebo effect. It’s powerful what we believe to be true and if we believe in the bad versus the good, then the bad will happen. If we believe in the good, then the good will probably happen. It’s always easier to believe in the bad. That’s what’s crazy about it.
It’s easier to believe the lie. It’s also important what you think about yourself, but also what you’re told about yourself. It’s important to funnel what you’re allowing yourself to enter your brain. It’s important for you to dwindle down the things that are coming into your brain. I’ll tell you a quick story about that. There are two groups of ten-year-olds. There’s one group in room A and one group in room B. They’re all given ten-year-old IQ tests. After about 30 minutes, they all finished it and then the proctors told group A, “You guys are so hardworking. Good for you.” The proctors tell group B, “You guys are so smart. Good for you.” They switched the rooms and then they give them all twelve-year-old IQ tests. After about 30 minutes, only a few of the smart kids finished the IQ test and everyone in the hardworking room finishes the test. Whenever they asked the smart kids why most of them did not finish it, they said, “We thought we weren’t smart enough.” When they asked the other group of children, “Why did you all finish this? How did you do it?” They said, “We thought if we worked harder, we could figure it out.” What you’re told about yourself can have a huge effect on your placebo that’s inside of you. That takes a whole other level. It’s powerful.
It shows the power of praising effort versus results because at the end of the day, our identity is not found in the results that we produce. It’s easy to fall into that, especially as kids if we’re not careful as parents, which many of us are. It turns into all about the results. It’s like schooling and education. Education doesn’t help you learn how to learn because it’s helping you learn how to get good grades and that’s not necessarily learning. It’s a game of getting good grades.
It’s the Einstein quote, “Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.” I love that.
It’s counterintuitive. When are you most yourself?
I’m realizing lately that I’m most myself when I’m not worried about anything and whenever I’m free to be happy-go-lucky. The only things that are holding the real estate in my mind or more importantly my heart, are the things that matter to me most. My wife and I have been dealing with a lot of extraordinary circumstances. It’s hard because I haven’t been maybe the best husband, the best friend to my friends, the best disciple to people that are discipling me or anything in that spectrum because I’ve had things on my plate. I’ve had a full plate and I have not been myself. That’s been something I’ve been struggling with. Now that a lot of those chapters are closing on those hardships that we’ve been dealing with, I’m starting to see myself again. It’s fun to be able to be that happy-go-lucky. I’ll say some jokes, but I’ll also cry with you if you need me to cry with you. I’m the most myself whenever I don’t have a bunch of distractions of worry and fear.
We can all relate with worry, fear and distractions because that’s life. I had a day where I had several people reached out and shared things that are a bummer or frustrating. It’s going to be changing things in life like roles will be changing. I had another conversation that was hard and then I got a traffic citation ticket. That’s true in life. It can often pile on and we have these days where it’s a downer. You’re coming from a season where that’s been more than the norm. You’ve been under the weight of a lot of life not going your way or a lot of hardships or trials. What has been the biggest struggle internally with facing a prolonged period of that?
I’m going to separate these into a few different sections. The first thing is accepting things the way they are and knowing they may never change. That was a hard one for my wife and me and getting to a place where it’s like, “This may never change.” Accepting that, while it’s been freeing, was incredibly difficult because we’re both achievement-driven people who believe in work ethic. I would love to be a hard worker over having talent every day. Since that’s the foundation of who I am, it’s hard to accept. I don’t want to say defeat but contentment.
Contentment with the reality of where you are versus where you want to be.
The first thing was accepting things for the way they are and knowing they may never change. Number two is feeling down that you have such great goals and passions that you genuinely believe are good goals to not only help your family flourish, but also help society flourish. To know you can’t move forward with those unless you believe. You can’t move forward with those goals until some loose ends are tied together and burnt often. That’s been incredibly demoralizing to feel. I felt like a ball of fire and energy that I couldn’t do anything with. It’s almost like that poem that you read to me where Joseph felt like a lion with a chain around his neck. His value wasn’t diminished by the chain, but he was waiting for the chain to be removed so he can release that feral ferocious growl and a roar that’s within his chest. I’ve had that within my chest for five years. I have not started with that roar that I’ve been wanting to do, which has been incredibly difficult. That’s probably the next section of what I’ve been struggling with in terms of moving on from those hardships.
That’s a great point because one of the messages I heard was on anointing versus appointing. It’s the difference between when God calls us to something versus when He positions us in that place. This stage of life that we’re in is the gap between anointing and appointing for most of us, if not all of us. That’s a great gap to be in because it’s a journey in the process. When David was anointed King, he was at a young age and it was like 15 or 16 years before he was appointed. When you start looking through the Bible, all of these people were in the same place. God gave them a calling or a vision of their future and then they had to wait.
Aren’t you glad that God hasn’t given you a vision because now you’ve got to wait? It’s like He told you, “This is going to be your spouse, but you can’t have her right now.”
Honestly, He has. I’ve felt a calling in the last couple of years in a simple big profound sense, which is to be a voice to the next generation. I’m like, “Cool, what does that mean?” The last few years have been starting to see bits and pieces of it and starting to be prepared for that. It’s not at all confirming an appointment. I’m not speaking all the time to a bunch of people and that’s okay. I’m great with that because it’s all in God’s timing and I trust Him in the process of it. There is a gap, time and patience needed. Patience is such an underrated virtue. Isaiah 40 stuck out so much to me because of that amazing prophecy where he’s talking about, “They will mount up with wings like eagles. They shall run and not be weary. They shall walk and not be faint.” The key to that whole verse is the start that says, “They who wait on the Lord.”
I was going through sermons on my computer because I wanted to put one on while I was cleaning the house. I found one and it was titled, How to Know Your Spiritual Gifts. I’m like, “That’s a softball. Sign me up. I want to know. I want to be better. I want to be excellent in one.” I went and got popcorn. I had my coffee. I sit down on the couch with a blanket. I’m living my best life. The pastor opens up by saying, “I’m not going to tell you how to know your spiritual gifts because I don’t want you to treat it as a cop-out. The last thing I want for you is to be in a position to evangelize and you say to yourself, ‘This could be a great chance to evangelize, but I’m not an evangelist.’” What he was talking about is there’s anointing and then there’s self-appointing.Never let your schooling get in the way of your education. Click To Tweet
How often do we self-appoint what we believe God is saying about ourselves just because we’re good at it? Just because you’re good at tennis doesn’t mean you should be playing tennis. How much of our own “wisdom” or the way that we’re nurtured through our families, society and everything in our culture is low key self-appointing us? I remember listening to Simon Sinek on his podcast. He’s fun and brilliant. He mentioned that most people develop their why by the age of thirteen and they spend the rest of their life trying to execute it. I thought that was super interesting because there are certain things that you develop and go through with nature and nurture and you’ll have to define why at that point. Granted, that’s not for everybody and I believe that can alter and change. One thing that I’m trying to get better at is to not self-appoint myself. Sometimes, I look at my talents and I believe that they’re God-given, but how many of them are things that He wants me to do right now? That’s honestly a real struggle of mine. It’s self-appointing versus waiting for anointing.
For me, what was interesting was in the golf journey, I played golf my whole life. I had God-given natural ability, talents and a work ethic on top of that, which led me to be able to pursue it professionally. What was fascinating about that was when I was playing professionally, I realized I was isolating myself and I was lone wolfing it. I was not being effective for the kingdom and not being true to who I am. I’m a relational personal person and I wasn’t doing that. That plus injuries helped me understand, “Maybe this isn’t my calling.” I’ve got gift in here. I still believe if you gave me enough time, energy, money and effort, I could get there. I believe that wholeheartedly, but does that mean it’s what I should do? God made it clear it wasn’t.
I still struggle with that. I’ve watched the PGA championship and I get amped. I’m dying to get back out there. I see my buddy from growing up and he won on the web. Shout out to Michael Gellerman. I’m like, “I want to get back out there and do it,” but that wasn’t what God had for me. It takes sometimes learning what not to do to learn what to do. That’s the process that I was in golf. That’s a process we’re all in to figuring out if it’s a self-appointment or God-appointment.
It’s not to deny your talents and say that those things aren’t good. A story that comes to mind is when we look at the story of Mary and Martha. Whenever Jesus came to town to have dinner with them, Mary was at Jesus’ feet and Martha was preparing a great feast. She got all mad because Mary wasn’t helping. She walks in and she’s like, “Jesus, tell her to come and help me.” Jesus says, “Martha, what you’ve chosen is good, but what Mary has chosen is better.” Sometimes, those talents are good but resting at His feet and waiting for that appointing or that anointing is better. That’s something I try to rest in.
What other things do you look to in discerning that self versus God-appointment in the day-to-day or the month-to-month? What other tools or thoughts do you use to think through that?
Something that I’ve developed and I spoke on this whenever I was talking about just accepting things to whatever they are. I am an extremely achievement-driven person. If things are not going the way I would hope that they would go, I start to get down on myself. I start to question, “Is this what God has for me?” I was getting to a place in my own heart where I had to say, “Take being successful off the table on this.” I’m not even allowed the potential for worldly success in this situation to determine whether or not I’m impacting the kingdom. If you look at Paul while he was living, shipwrecked, beaten, flogged, estranged from friends and jailed multiple times, you would have said, “This guy is incredibly not successful.” Look at him now. He’s clapping back. I’m trying to remove that Western world determinant of success off the table. That is difficult, but that’s something I’m trying to practice and say, “Maybe the way that God sees is different than the way we see it.” I’m trying to practice that. Granted, that’s difficult. That’s something I have been thinking more about. It’s taking it easier on myself.
The other thing that’s been useful for me is affirmation from others and affirmation from your heart. Does your heart come alive when you’re doing that? Does it line up? Do you feel enliven? Do you feel filled with life? Do others affirm that in you? I’ve been doing some interviews for other people’s podcasts and I was on JR Gibson’s Show in LA. We did a video interview and everything floated. I was like, “Wow.” It just happened. I’m like, “This is interesting. It’s flowing and I feel capable and competent.” They affirmed that too afterward by saying some nice things. That’s great evidence of like, “I’m not appointed yet, but I’m in that path.” I’m in that process and there’s encouragement along the way Like God is saying okay. It’s the same with Joseph. Joseph’s in the pit, the worst place to be. You’re like, “What the heck?” He then starts growing with Potiphar’s house. He starts doing good like, “I’m being faithful.” That’s affirmation and then he gets thrown in jail. There comes some revival in the jail and he was like, “Cool, I’m being faithful.”
God will give us those encouragements along the way. We just have to be aware and looking for them in some ways. Something that I struggle with and all of us struggle with is being too hard on ourselves. We suck at showing ourselves grace. That’s why self-love is one of those trendy things to talk about in faith because we are bad at it. We’re bad at showing love and grace to ourselves. We’re good at over-expending ourselves for whatever career we’re pushing for or others even in a self-deprecating way. How does this manifest for you? How do you see yourself being hard on yourself? What have you seen as the effects of that? What does that produce?
This is interesting, especially living here in LA. You hear a lot about self-love and it’s important to define self first. Is it the physical manifestation of us or is it our soul? Is there a consciousness? What is that? I’m not trying to get too introspective when I talk about that, but it’s important to know. What are you trying to be easy on? If you’re an athlete, to rest means to rest your body. If you’re a psychologist and you’re constantly dealing with hard emotional situations, then maybe resting your mind is what you need. Maybe that shows itself by doing a boxing class because you can’t think during boxing. You just got to hit the bat. It’s important to define self. Are we human beings having a spiritual experience or are we spiritual beings having a human experience?
Probably my greatest thing that holds me back is distractions, worry, fear and things like that. What helps me with self-love is to forgive myself for having those fears and allow myself to experience in them, but not stay where the fear is. It’s difficult for me because I don’t need to rest physically. I need to rest emotionally because I’m constantly in my head. I can receive criticism from anybody because you cannot be harder on me than I’m on myself. It’s too difficult. You’d have to start speaking negatively about me from 6:00 AM until I go to bed at 10:30 PM. You can’t because you’re not around me that much. I had to define myself and find ways to be easy on myself in that regard.
Where you’re at right now in that process? How would you rate yourself if you had to go from 1 to 5? One being poor and five being great.
I’m at 6.375. I’m getting better at it. I truly am. Giving myself a better than average score is good for me because that’s giving myself forgiveness. I’m showing it right there and I am practicing this. I got married and as a guy, I feel this intrinsic feeling to provide. Financially is the main thing that we think about when providing, but it’s making sure there’s food on the table, shelter and protection. I’m in the transition of switching careers, which has been fun but also difficult because who wants to switch careers when they get married? That’s not fun. I keep wanting to provide for my wife and I’m stressing out about it. I want to give her this life that I believe that she wants.
She says to me, “Chad, I don’t want that. What I want is for you to obey God. I want you to submit to Him.” The things I’m trying to do are not what she wants. I’m trying to unpack that within my own life. Are the things I’m trying to do is what I want or am I just going through the motions because that’s what society tells me to do? That allows me to be a little easier on myself to realize that the only reason I want that is because that’s the next thing to do like getting a big fat engagement ring or getting a boujee house. Is that something I should be stressing out about? Is that something I should be worried about? Is that something I should be fearful of if I don’t have? No, because that’s not biblical at all. Not only am I starting to forgive myself for not having those things, but I’m starting to unpack the desire for those things in the first place. That’s probably where I am. Don’t get me wrong, I still want all those things. I want a big fat house with a lot of kids, all be barefoot in the kitchen. I’m cool with that and I’m not afraid. I still want those things, but I’m starting to take it easy on myself if they don’t happen.
That helps us understand the process for it. It’s always about forgiving yourself first for whatever it is. The second is after that, how do I start recognizing where this is coming from? What are the factors? What are the voices? What are the influences that I’m listening to? What’s crazy about that is it’s all the culture and the people around us. Culture is what’s powerful in our lives. We are products of culture, whether we want to believe it, admit it or not. I am who I am because I’ve lived in LA for many years. I can’t change that. It’s not good or bad. It’s just different. I can’t expect people in Kansas to think the same way I do in California because they haven’t lived in California. It’s the power of culture and it’s neutral. What we do with it is not neutral.For every negative thought you think about yourself, make yourself say two positive thoughts. Click To Tweet
That’s important because the same as you in the achievement mindset and being in a place like LA that’s hyper achievement culture and being wired that way already, it’s a dangerous place for me to be. God has me in a season of rest because I need to change the voices I’m listening to. It takes practice and I’m going to maintain it. I have been intentionally practicing Sabbath always. I’m sacrificing a day to God each week, not a Sunday because that’s serving a lot. Two is, on those days, whenever I hear those voices of, “You’re not being productive. You’re not furthering your career. You’re not earning money and making an impact. You’re wasting time.” All those things that are in my mind, I’m like, “Lies.” I can now replace it with truth. This is a God-ordained thing. This is giving me strength, rest and perspective. This is refreshing and renewing me. It’s going to produce better results down the road because of the balance and rhythm of it. That’s the process of discovering the lie, preaching the truth, replacing the lie with truth and then ingraining that by practice.
To take it even a more practical step further, one thing I truly do is every negative thought about myself, I make myself say two positive thoughts. I know I force it and sometimes it gets a little weird. With how many negative thoughts I have on myself, you got to get creative with what you can say and allow, “Chad, your left nostril is flaring like no other.” You have to outweigh it. Another thing that my wife and I had to do practically is we’ve had to almost partition our lives. In LA, it’s a creative-driven society. It’s a small business-driven society, which is awesome. We love that, but it can also make us where there’s no separation between work and life. We do not allow a TV and a desk in our bedroom. We don’t allow a desk in our living room and our dining room.
We won’t work in certain areas in our house because we don’t want to experience the stresses of work in those different rooms. The reason why we don’t want a TV in our bedroom is because that’s a place for us to connect intimately. Whether that’s physically or emotionally, we don’t want to distract ourselves or invite those other things into those separate rooms because it’ll start to mix and mingle relationships. When I first moved to LA, I’ve moved a lot since then for modeling. I was trying to find a church. I was going to two churches every Sunday trying to find one that works, big churches, small churches and everything. In Murphy’s Law, “Everything that possibly could go wrong was going wrong.” I went to the second service in LA. I had to sit outside because they were full in the main service. There was a soccer game going on at the high school that the church was at.
First off, I’m a sports guy. I have ADHD to the max, so I was incredibly distracted. I couldn’t hear the preacher because it was a preacher on staff. It wasn’t the main preacher and I couldn’t go in and worship. I couldn’t find parking even before that. Everything was pulling me away from this church, but I made it there. They’re going to do 30 minutes of worship after the service. People started walking out and for some reason, I felt my gut, “Go inside,” because I was having a bad day. I kid you not, that was the longest walk I’ve ever had. It was probably 50 yards from where I was sitting where they had a speaker outside to hear the pastor all the way into the front door of the auditorium. The second, I walked through those doors, I started crying. I texted my mom and I said, “I found my home church.”
I walked through a threshold. My worries, hurt and pain were gone. My dissatisfaction with my life was gone. That’s how my wife and I treat our apartment. Whenever we walk through those bedroom doors, nothing else matters, but connecting intimately with each other. We’ve had to partition our lives and that’s a practical set for people to practice. I’m not moving from my bed to my desk within two steps. Whenever you look at your desk, you can start to stress about working things you have to do. It’s the same thing as struggling with being addicted to pornography. Whenever you walk in your house and you see that computer, your brain starts releasing those endorphins or those chemicals. You start to feel good like, “Maybe I should go do that.” You start realizing that maybe you’re not driven by your own will. Maybe there are some chemical wirings that are happening inside there that are affecting your choices. We practically practice to not allow those things to happen.
It’s the same with social media on your phone. When you pull your phone out, the first instinct is to scroll, click and keep scrolling. It’s funny how we get conditioned by the chemical responses, whether we admit it, acknowledge it or not. I want to underscore that the point of partitioning, compartmentalizing or being strategic about our spaces is a game-changer. If you talk to anyone who is self-employed or works from home, this should be non-negotiable because without that, everything will distract you from what you need to do, especially when it comes to work. If you don’t have a designated room, desk or area for work, you’re going to be hit with a bombardment of to-dos in your home and in your life that aren’t work-oriented or career-oriented things. It’s going to distract you. I’m faced with this too. That’s why I have my little standing desk and a copy over there. That’s my work spot.
It happens the other way around too. If there are times to disconnect like in Sabbath, if you’re constantly surrounded in your place of rest with work or stress, it can also flood over that way, too.
What fears are most present for you right now in life?
I fear that I won’t make a change for His kingdom. I know that sounds super Christiany, but I mean it. I was saved a few months ago. My life looks radically different than it did in my last year of undergrad. I turned in a renewing of my mind and I do want to impact His kingdom. That’s a big fear of mine. I also want to do well in life. I want to earn a good amount of money. I want to provide a good life and be a good husband and a good father to my children. I don’t want to go through that much hardship. It’s not fun. Granted, it’s good for you in a lot of ways, not in every way, but in a lot of ways you can grow in perseverance, which is good. I’m nervous that all the things I’m working on, which are things I believe God’s put on my heart, won’t amount to anything. I’m also getting to a place where as Jim Carrey said, “You can even fail at what you don’t love, so you might as well do what you love.”
There’s another quote, “It’s a lot better to fail at your own life than to succeed at others.” Tell me about The Good & The Chad. Where did that come from? What’s the origin story of The Good & The Chad because it’s catchy.
Aside from the fact that I was an advertising and marketing student undergrad, I remember sitting in my apartment in New York City on the 32nd floor on the 50th and 8th Street. I was incredibly overwhelmed by all the negativity in the world, whether it was the media, political madness, civil unrest or the social injustice buzzword. I get affected by this stuff because I feel so small and I’m like, “I want to combat this in whatever small way I can.” I want to combat the negativity with positivity and goodness. I’m going to share good things, but I also want to share some of my own life too, so I’m like, “The Good & The Chad.” Fast forwarding a few years, it’s starting to take off. It’s taken me a long time in finding a wife to help me get started in this project. The Good & The Chad is one branch of what we hope will be a larger movement of Be The Good. The whole premise is that we want to help, inspire, encourage and empower people to be the good where they are.
Not everyone is a philanthropist or a chairman of a charity. Not everyone has a lot of money to throw out to charities. Not everybody has a lot of time to help out. How can we inspire the people that are fashion bloggers, teachers and waste management professionals? How can we inspire everyday people to do good right where they are? The catch line is that you don’t have to have a lot to give a lot. I’m sure some of the most profound things that you’ve experienced in your life were small, but they’re affecting you deeply. Here’s the thing that my buddy James Bowie said to me one time, “I don’t believe that God’s going to use one person for a million. I believe he’s going to use a million for a million.” Imagine how radically different the world would look like if every single Christian went to their neighbor’s door and knocked on and said, “I want to be a part of your life. I’m going to impact you for good. Is there anything I can do for you? Can I get to know you?” How much different would the world look like if we put up or show it?
That’s my thing. We want to create a movement where people feel empowered to do good. They’re not stifled or depressed by all the crises and all the natural disasters where they feel small. They feel like, “I can’t help that. That was a big hurricane. That was a hard shooting. I’m just me.” You are just you. That’s big, great and grand. That’s where the Be The Good movement is coming from, whether it’s the clothes you wear, the companies you support, the way you talk to yourself and your neighbor. Whatever it may be in every spectrum of life, we want to show you a few avenues that will not only better your life, but other people’s lives as well.
The thing that I appreciate about our generation and the generation to come is that they are a lot more socially conscious, but that doesn’t mean they’re socially active.You can even fail at what you don’t love, so might as well do what you love. Click To Tweet
The whole idea of understanding versus action is huge for me. I’m back in the quote off, “The smallest action outweighs the greatest intention.” What have you got?
Here’s one, “It’s a lot easier to act your way into a new way of thinking than to think your way into a new way of acting.”
I’m going to go back and forth with this. “No man has ever stood so tall as when he stoop to help a child.”
“The greatest trip you can ever make in life is to meet someone halfway.”
Shake my hand. You win.
That’s a good match. I love that because it’s like Good City Mentors. It’s a powerful program that I’ve been helping out with and it’s one hour a week. It didn’t seem like a lot, but it’s amazing the impact you can have by just giving one hour a week to high schoolers. The impact is just showing up. You don’t have to say something super wise or super loving or caring. You just have to show up and that’s what makes a difference. As simple as that, being the good looks like just showing up and taking a step. The same is true in our careers. We get this wisdom from the working world or the career world. Why don’t we think about the social good world in the same way? It’s not about a giant leap that we can make like, “How can I go t 10 feet right now?” No, it’s like, “How can I go 1 foot? How can I take a small step?” For some reason, we want to make an outsized impact when it’s always about taking the first step.
The first step is the hardest though.
It’s always hard. Why is it?
I haven’t tied my shoes yet. For me, it’s not even taking the step. I haven’t even put the shoe on. Sometimes, even putting the shoe on or choosing the socks, “Are they the right shoes for the job?” Who knows? There’s a lot of fears centered around, “Am I even equipped to do this? If I’m going hiking, am I going to go on some heels?” There are many barriers to entry that people can face that can eliminate that first step. The ultimate reason as to why that first step is hard is the fear of the unknown. The fear of putting yourself out there.
There’s an abundance of questions without answers. There are uncertainties and there’s a lack of clarity. There are all these things that we feel like we have to have before we take a step, but it comes from taking a step.
That’s something I’m realizing in my own life. I can pivot in the wise words of Ross from friends. I can do that. As we’re carrying this couch downstairs of life, we can pivot. That’s something my wife and I are doing like, “We want to do this. Instead of having everything perfect, let’s start. Let’s post that thing. If it doesn’t go the way we want it to, let’s change it.” I remember on April 7th of 2017, I prayed to God. I was living in New York City and I wanted to get out of there and start a new life. I said, “God, I need you to steer this moving ship. I’m going to move regardless, so I need you to steer me.” I got so upset waiting for God to move first, but what’s crazy is within fifteen minutes, I found a place to live in LA. I found a car to use in LA. It’s fifteen minutes of movement. It’s funny that it’s just that once step out of the boat.
He wants partnership. He never wants us to do it all. He’s like, “How can we do it together?” That’s a partnership. Sometimes, it usually takes stepping by faith, which means a lack of full knowledge or clarity because if you had full knowledge and clarity, there’s no faith needed, “I already know and I’m going to go where I know.” That always God’s way. It’s involving faith in that. Talk to me about this pivot. What the vision is now? It wasn’t only The Good & The Chad, but now it’s Be The Good.
I got married. Two is one. It’s not no longer about me, even though I tried to keep the name the same, but whatever. Happy wife, happy life. That’s the hope. It’s a little bit larger project that we can market and start, whether it’s with apparel, branded videos or whatever it may be. We want to shock the world in popular culture and approach things in a unique way. Here’s something that’s funny about me. I love charity, but I don’t like the stigma around it. It’s like the whole relay for life mentality or the March of Dimes. It feels like, “Let’s all put on a shirt and let’s go walk around this track.” It feels formulated. When I think of the way that God’s done ministry through me, it’s all been abstract and abnormal. It’s guerrilla ministry and warfare. What we want to do is guerrilla charity. It doesn’t seem normal. Whether that means that we’re designing apparel that in a subtle way encourages people in the messaging or it’s branded videos.
I posted a video on YouTube, The Good & The Chad. I did this video and it’s $20 challenge. I went out and I showed people how far $20 can go, but I did it in a unique and fun way. We want to approach it in a way where it embraces this culture, this generation and the generation after us. They are socially conscious, but how can we produce the action from them in a way that they want to be active? A lot of these kids don’t have the money or the resources to go help the March of Dimes and all that stuff. How can we immobilize them to be good in any circumstance?You don’t need to have a lot to give a lot. Click To Tweet
This is wisdom that is preached in many levels. It’s like, “You don’t have a lot of money right now, but if you’re not saving or investing your money now, you won’t save or invest it when you have a lot.” It’s the natural way of going the way of life. If we aren’t making a little impact now, we won’t make a bigger impact later when we have the ability to. We’re starting in a couple of episodes after our 100th, we’re going to start doing a creative version that. We’re going to do supportship. We’re going to start supporting different nonprofits or companies that we believe in by giving awareness to them through our show. I’m like, “Why didn’t we do this sooner?” We didn’t think about it. How can we use what we have for good?
I like using what you have for good. There’s another layer that I haven’t touched on yet, which is actively rewriting your heart towards these situations. You talked about how we’re influenced by the culture and products of our environment. I have purposefully and intentionally been doing things slower lately. I’ve been the best barista at my home address has ever known. I’m making my coffee and it takes me fifteen minutes to make coffee. I’ve been hand squeezing orange juice. I’ve been doing everything by hand, not because I’m an artisan, but because I’ve realized that because of the Starbucks culture we’re part of, we want everything right now. It’s like, “Here’s $4 or $5, take my money. Give it to me now. I want it now.” I’ve realized that that’s flooded into every area of my life like, “I want to do good. Give me success right now. Give me the change right now.” What if it doesn’t look like that? Am I just going to stop?
I’ve started to rewrite the way I’m impacted in the way I impact these situations. Now, when it takes me fifteen minutes to make a cup of coffee, I’m enjoying the process and I’m expecting for it, but it takes much longer than I want. I’m starting to be okay with that. That’s flooding over into my professional and even social life where it’s something practical I’m trying to do. I’m not putting so much pressure on things to be immediate. That’s a real issue. Patience is a real thing.
Pace and rhythm are important, too. If you’re dancing or if you’re playing a sport or trying to hit a tennis ball, having that rhythm, pace and flow to what you’re doing are important. Yet in life, we’re frantic and we’re rushing. I do this all the time. I’ve been getting mad at myself because with food and eating, I do many of the meals that I cook and eat on my own. I’m all about efficiencies. The culture is being efficient, so I ended up overeating or eating too fast and not chewing as much. I’m stuffed and my stomach hurts because I’m trying to do it too fast. It’s slowing down and we all need to insert more pace, rhythm and slowness. We can all benefit from that. I love that practice.
I remember I was talking to someone one day about speeding and speaking of traffic citations.
It was turning left on a no turn left.
One thing I learned is the speed limit was 70 miles per hour on this interstate. They did the math where if you drive 77 versus 70, you’re going to get there between 5 and 7 minutes early. Is that 5 and 7 minutes early worth the risk of a ticket, an accident or stressing yourself out because you feel you’re late? Are the things that you’re doing to be that efficient helping or hurting? You think that they’re helping you. It’s almost like a placebo success or a placebo determinant of doing better or doing more. That’s not helping you. It’s causing you more harm than good.
That’s perfectly fitting with our mantra for the show, which is having intention in the tension. Life is filled with tensions that we have to live within. Living with intentionality is what does that. What you’re talking about, right there is that intentionality of saying, “What is my intention here? Am I running behind and I need to speed to catch up and try to be on time?” I’m not valuing the other person’s time enough to leave on time to get there on time, so now I have to speed. It’s not having an intention; it’s haphazardly going through. How do I live with intention, so I don’t have to haphazardly face those situations? What are you learning most about God?
He wants me and He doesn’t want all my works. He doesn’t want the good in the Chad. He wants the bad in the Chad because He wants to wash that. He wants to wash those feet and I quite frankly want to wash my own feet, so when I walked through His house, I’m not leaving any markings on his floor. He has invited me to something else. He said, “This is your house and this is your party. This is for you, Chad.” That’s probably the thing I’ve been learning the most in the whole forgiveness mindset. It’s affected me spiritually because I’m starting to love myself like an ounce of the way God loves me. I’m starting to see His love for me. I was never able to experience the love He has for me because I haven’t shown it to myself. If I’ve never experienced that type of unconditional and irreplaceable love for myself, then I don’t know how to receive it from Him. If I’m only used to receiving the love that’s based on what I produce, my productivity or achievement, then that’s all I’m going to want from Him. When I’m being a good Christian on my good little corner taking notes, then he loves me, but 99% of the time when I’m not that, He doesn’t love me. I’m learning that He wants me.
That’s such a needed message for all of us. I know I daily slip into that. When is faith hardest for you?
Faith is probably the hardest for me when there’s a lot of skin in the game. For example, whenever I was a single guy, if I wanted to pick up and move to Europe as I did, I can. If there are any repercussions, I’ll deal with them. The more responsibility I have as far as a family, the more it’s hard for me to have faith because now, I’m trusting God, not only with my own provision, safety, love and encouragement but with my wife’s. I don’t ever want her to go hungry and homeless. I don’t want her to go without encouragement, love or support. I’ve got to trust God with her, but more importantly, I got to hope that He can trust me with her.
That’s probably my greatest error of faith whenever I put a lot of care into something. I struggle in my prayer life. I’m great at praying for other people, but I’m not great praying for myself because when I pray for myself, I get overly attached to it. I become Thomas, the greatest skeptic. I won’t believe until I see it. The truth about Thomas is maybe he wasn’t the greatest skeptic, maybe he cared the most. Maybe he had the most meat in the game where he was scared that this wouldn’t be true. He was nervous. When I get my emotions attached to something, I’m afraid of being let down. I’m a man of God, not being who He is.
That’s how we grow it at the same token. We grow faith by having more responsibility and having more skin in the game. It’s a process. It’s not just piling on your own back things that you can’t carry. The cool thing is God doesn’t give us any burden or weight that we can’t carry with His help and that’s a beautiful promise that we get to trust. Are you familiar with the Enneagram at all?
I am. A bunch of my friends took it, but I haven’t. I’m curious. A lot of people have already told me that I’m a two. I know I’ve mentioned the achievement thing, but if I could help someone else achieve versus me, then I’m good. I remember you and I had a conversation and I’ve shared this with many people. Many of my friends think I’m smart because of all the wisdom I’ve stolen from you. Do you remember the thing you said to me? “Things can describe you but not define you.” I’m careful how I looked at that sermon for my spiritual gifts. I wanted to define myself. I wanted to put myself in a box and God’s like, “I’m not giving you a cop-out to say, ‘This is the way I am because I understand myself.’” He’s like, “No, I’ve called you to even love than me.” Even if your Enneagram number says that you’re not good at that, it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. People would say that I’m a two or three, I don’t know. I’m a person.The smallest actions outweighs the greatest intention. Click To Tweet
I’m a human being. Take that, Enneagram.
When I first became a Christian, I didn’t know who Moses, Abraham or David was, but I knew who Jesus was. I remember one time someone asked me, “What denomination are you?” I wasn’t raised in a church at all and I was like, “What do you mean?” He’s like, “Are you a Presbyterian or Catholic?” I said, “No, I’m a Christian.” He’s like, “Which branch?” I said, “The kind who follows Christ.” I’m a big fan of not defining myself, but what God says about me.
Get rid of denominations. Get them out. What do you wish you knew more about? What are you most curious about?
I’ve been researching chess nonstop. I’m watching this documentary on Bobby Fischer. I watched this movie called Green Book. I don’t know if you have ever seen it. It was Oscar-nominated. I believe that one actor did win an Oscar from this great movie. It talks about different civil rights movements and injustice, but it follows a genius in a subject. He’s a pianist and he’s a genius in that. I remember sitting in bed late that night thinking to myself, “I want to be a genius in something.” I don’t know what I am a genius in, but I want to be in genius in something.” It’s cool to see someone who does something naturally.
Have you seen Good Will Hunting? When Will talks about how doing this for him is like playing tic-tac-toe for others. That’s not the exact example he uses but it comes naturally. I want to know what’s natural for me. What I’m most curious about is what God’s going to do through me. Is it going to come naturally? Something I wish I knew more about was my own limits. I’m in seminary at Fuller Seminary in Pasadena and I’m taking a lot of classes that are centered around helping counsel people through addictions, abuse, hardship, pain and suffering. I’m trying to register for classes and I’m wait list in a class that’s called grief, loss, death and dying. If that doesn’t make you want to go to sleep or crawl into the fetal position, I don’t know what will. I’ve had to scale back on my classes because I realize I can’t handle this. I’m trying to figure out, “What are my true human limitations of what I can handle?” I don’t want my brain to be affected more greatly than my heart. I want them to grow at the same time and at the same pace.
I’m trying to figure out a good rhythm for me as I grow into what I hope Be The Good will be. I hope seminary will help me learn. I’m trying to grow at a healthy pace and knowing your limits is difficult. Being able to say no is hard for me. I bought that book, Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend, which are both doctors. That’s helped me a little bit in developing boundaries from a biblical defense, but that’s something I want to know more about.
We all can grow in that. That’s a human struggle.
Also, flat earth and moon landing. There’s a lot of other things I’m curious about. Did 9/11 happen? I don’t know. Help me with these things. Is this not the Joe Rogan experience?
Joe Rogan’s great. If you could send a morning text reminder to every Up and Comer out there, what message, phrase or text would you send? They’d get this every morning as a reminder from you.
I’m going to choose the first thing that came to my mind. This maybe isn’t the most perfect answer, but it’s the one that hit me in the heart quickly. Enjoy the process and respect the process. That’s probably something I’m repeating to myself daily, it’s to enjoy the daily grind. I don’t like looking at my bank account and wondering like, “This is not enjoyable.” I want to be reminded and remind other people every single day to respect the process, but also enjoy it. You will experience a greater joy along the journey if you give it the respect it deserves. Take a minute to say, “I’m not where I want to be, but I am where I am and I’m going to enjoy this day.”
Where can people reach you and send some feedback?
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About Chad Masters
I’m Chad Masters. A 20 something from small-town Florida. Educationally I have two business degrees and am pursuing a Masters degree while enjoying a newlywed life!
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